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How hard is your Fiero to steer? by Fiero.1984
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I realize that now a days almost all cars have power steering while none of the Fieros have it. It seems that the steering on my 1984 Fiero SE requires a lot of effort. I have an 1978 MGB which does not have power steering and it is much easier to turn that my Fiero. Both cars weight about the same about 2600 pounds and the Fiero does not have an engine up front. So is it just my car that has some type of problem or does all Fieros require much more steering effort? Do you have any suggestion for making it easier? Thanks.
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I never thought it was hard at all, almost to light. Unless I'm stopped. Do you have a smaller wheel? Wide tires? Those make a big difference. I removed my steering damper. Just make sure everything is good under the front end.

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I agree with Ian. I've been out of Fieros for about 10 years and have gotten used to power steering. Got a Fiero yesterday and drove it around the block. I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it steered. FWIW, I have stock sized wheels/tires but even when I get slightly wider tires in the future, I don't foresee any real steering issues.
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Every since I went to 18x7.5 on the front I consider mine very hard to steer. It may be an alignment issue, but has really made me consider adding power steering

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Low tire pressure makes it harder, also don't try to turn the wheel until you start moving the car.
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Try one of these. It will also bring some special attention at the next car show. But I here it really works well if get one big enough for you use both hands on it at the same time.
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A wide offset will make it harder to steer, wider rims can too.
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Stock formula rims up front with eagle gt's and its one finger wheel turning when stopped..... Although i have a rebuilt rack with all new tie rod ends and new upper and lower ball joints.
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Tires and inflation will affect steering effort. Even performance (sticky) tires can cause more effort vs "normal" tire at same size.
Caster does affect that too. Many PS cars have More caster vs Non-PS and when PS dies many will has problem because you're fighting dead PS and High Caster.

 
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Try one of these. It will also bring some special attention at the next car show. But I here it really works well if get one big enough for you use both hands on it at the same time.
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Legal issues aside... Big problem is Many cheap spinners like your picture above can catch on/in things or break at the worst time. You might use them on a garden tractor but don't use them for a car/truck on the road.

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necker knob..... haven't seen one of those in 30 years.
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Tires and inflation will affect steering effort. Even performance (sticky) tires can cause more effort vs "normal" tire at same size.
Caster does affect that too. Many PS cars have More caster vs Non-PS and when PS dies many will has problem because you're fighting dead PS and High Caster.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Imnuts:
Try one of these. It will also bring some special attention at the next car show. But I here it really works well if get one big enough for you use both hands on it at the same time.
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Spinners are illegal unless you have "Restrictions: C - Mechanical Aid" on your License. And you have to remove them for other drivers w/o C on license. (Disable spinner example)


Legal issues aside... Big problem is Many cheap spinners like your picture above can catch on/in things or break at the worst time. You might use them on a garden tractor but don't use them for a car/truck on the road.

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Originally posted by Csjag:

...also don't try to turn the wheel until you start moving the car.


That. It's also not the best practice in any car- puts a significant strain on things.

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The car came with Ultra rims on P215r60-14 tires which seems to be standard for the SE. I keep them at about 35 PSI which seems to help some but they still are much harder to turn then my MGB. I would have thought with the engine being in the middle, the car would not need power steering. I read somewhere that Pontiac considered putting an electric PS on the car but decided that it did not need it.
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I have two Formula's one has stock rims and tires and last time I drove it, it was pretty easy to steer my other has some after market 16X7 wheels and is a lot harder to steer at parking speeds for some reason, not sure if it's the rims or something else as I'm still slowing going thru replacing parts.

(Off Topic) Those Spinners or Suicide bars as I always heard them called is why T-Shirts were so popular in the 50's since shirt sleeves love to get caught in them.
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I installed power steering in my 87, never look back .
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I had absolutely zero concerns on the stock wheels & stock sized tires, but I was a little worried when I installed 18x7s with pretty sticky tires. I was pleasantly surprised by the resultant steering effort. It's a bit of a bear when stopped, but it's not an issue when moving at all. It's not one-finger light, but I can and have driven it all day without fatigue. I actually look forward to the steering feel.
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Originally posted by Celthora87GT:

Stock formula rims up front with eagle gt's and its one finger wheel turning when stopped..... Although i have a rebuilt rack with all new tie rod ends and new upper and lower ball joints.


When stopped? Power steering then?
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When stopped? Power steering then?


Nah not that fancy just a rodney dickman brass bushing and well greased.
Im suprised how easy it is to turn it stopped. Now one finger on my garage floor so smooth concrete. Road is a bit different. Not anything more then two maybe 3 fingers.
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Hello, I have several 86-88 GT's, with stock wheels & tires, at speed I feel the steering is almost to light. In a parking lot, driveway, etc. I wish I had a little power assist.
The one I have with 18" wheels and larger tires seems just about perfect except its hard to steer at very low speed.

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Standard steering has a different ratio than power steering. I had a 62 Ford Galaxie 390 that 'had' power steering, but the pump was broke and I drove it for months with no assist if you think a Fiero is hard. Even the new wimpy Nascar drivers cant drive without power steering. We never had it when I raced and we did just fine. I dont think it came to Nascar till the last 10 years or so. No way id want to race with power steering...you have no road feel. Like mentioned, standard steering cars are supposed to be moving to steer it. I always like to add a few degrees of caster to my cars from stock so that they tracked straighter and more stable, and recovered from turns easier.
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Originally posted by Celthora87GT:


Nah not that fancy just a rodney dickman brass bushing and well greased.
Im suprised how easy it is to turn it stopped. Now one finger on my garage floor so smooth concrete. Road is a bit different. Not anything more then two maybe 3 fingers.


What bushing is this? I may beed to do that.
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What bushing is this? I may beed to do that.


I think he means this one http://rodneydickman.com/ca...6_43&products_id=101

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There is an adjustment nut on the steering rack. The service manual instructions that come with Rodney's rack bushing has a torque specification that your rack should resist when turned (all measured on the bench.) If your steering rack is in good condition and not binding inside, maybe someone had it apart previously and tightened that nut too much (I did while adjusting it because it felt too loose, made the wheel nearly impossible to turn. Small adjustments are key if you are not measuring the resistance to spec.)
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I think he means this one http://rodneydickman.com/ca...6_43&products_id=101

Feel free to correct me.

Yup exactly. It is a breeze to put in and I can feel the difference from the crappy plastic one

EDIT: Now when I say "breeze to put in" I mean. I had the whole front suspension apart for new poly bushings so the rack was on the floor of my garage. I picked it up and started, not a breeze if you have to remove it from your car But not terribly hard, you just need to take off the two wheels, take off the two ball joints (replace if necessary) and take the 4 bolts that hold it off the middle of the rack and the bolt that holds it on the steering column and bam! you have it out

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I just recently purchased an 85 GT from someone who put 88 springs and I believe 88 black honeycomb wheels with 215/60-15 tires all around. I have already replaced the shorter 88 springs with a set of OEM's and installed new shocks and struts in the process.

I can hardly back out of the garage since I have to turn when backing up to avoid parked cars behind the driveway and it takes all my strength to turn the wheel. Any suggestions?
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I see someone mentioning installing power steering. Can this actually be done? How costly is it? Where do the parts come from?
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I can hardly back out of the garage since I have to turn when backing up to avoid parked cars behind the driveway and it takes all my strength to turn the wheel.


I suspect you have an automatic. Am I correct?

I wonder how many Fiero owners with "hard steering" are moving slowly with their brakes applied because their Fiero's automatic tranny is propelling them faster than they want to go (while parking, backing up, etc)? So yeah, fighting the resistance of the front brakes will certainly add to the effort required to turn.

With that in mind, I doubt very many Fiero owners with manual trannys complain about the steering being difficult.

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My 88 GT seems hard to steer for me. I have 18 x 8 rims and 225/45 summer performance tires up front. I also had a mechanic who redid my alignment for me and added some to the front caster. This really helped for going straight and not climbing the road crown, but it did make it harder to steer. Of course I am getting older too and have carpal tunnel in both wrists and hands, so performance type driving hurts and takes a lot out of me.
My wife has an 88 also, but with somewhat stock rims and tires on it. This car steers really easy compared to my 88GT, but I won't give up the rims and tires.
I have been seriously considering adding power steering with an electric power steering pump. It would certainly make it easier on my hands and wrists.
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Originally posted by QCMANAGER:

I see someone mentioning installing power steering. Can this actually be done? How costly is it? Where do the parts come from?


Lou6t4gto informed me of how to do the power steering and what exact parts are needed so he definitely can help you with that!
I didn't do it because well, my steering is tough, tight, and I love it! It's like driving a Go Kart.

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My 84 is sitting on 215 50 17's and sitting still I can spin the wheel with one hand. I once drove a 34ft International straight truck with manual steering, now that was like steering a tank. My 62 Ford had manual steering and you didn't even try to move the wheel unless the car was moving. My Fiero steers better than a lot of cars I've owned that had power steering, so if yours steers that hard you should definitely have it checked.
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Actually, no, it is a 4 speed. I am going to have the front steering and suspension looked at. I hear people saying they can turn their cars easily sitting still and that leads me to believe that there must be something wrong with my car. I will let you know what the mechanic says.
 
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I suspect you have an automatic. Am I correct?

I wonder how many Fiero owners with "hard steering" are moving slowly with their brakes applied because their Fiero's automatic tranny is propelling them faster than they want to go (while parking, backing up, etc)? So yeah, fighting the resistance of the front brakes will certainly add to the effort required to turn.

With that in mind, I doubt very many Fiero owners with manual trannys complain about the steering being difficult.



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Just to change the subject for a minute, I am trying to change out the notchback taillights. I removed the caps and the long screws above the lenses but I am having a hell of a time getting them to come out. I can get one to move a little in the center where they meet but after that it is almost impossible to remove them. Am I supposed to remove some molding or something else to get these out? Do I have to detach each light socket as I go in order to get the long lenses to come out?

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Originally posted by KaijuSenso:

There is an adjustment nut on the steering rack. The service manual instructions that come with Rodney's rack bushing has a torque specification that your rack should resist when turned (all measured on the bench.) If your steering rack is in good condition and not binding inside, maybe someone had it apart previously and tightened that nut too much (I did while adjusting it because it felt too loose, made the wheel nearly impossible to turn. Small adjustments are key if you are not measuring the resistance to spec.)


What is the torque specification on the adjustment nut?
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