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2800 V6 limitations by proff
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Report this Post04-12-2015 06:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for proffClick Here to visit proff's HomePageClick Here to Email proffSend a Private Message to proffEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
could i put NOS on a 2800 V6 fiero engine?
what are the limitation?
i know what it does, never done it before
Want to do it with a lawn mower first
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Report this Post04-12-2015 07:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for WillClick Here to Email WillSend a Private Message to WillEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Used correctly, Nitrous can increase the power of an otherwise stock engine by ~50% with very little risk.

Used incorrectly, Nitrous can smash your pistons into small pieces and leave those pieces in the oil pan.

1FST2M6 on this forum (hasn't posted for several years, though) used to have a *VERY* carefully tuned 125 shot on his 2.8.
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Used correctly, Nitrous can increase the power of an otherwise stock engine by ~50% with very little risk.

Used incorrectly, Nitrous can smash your pistons into small pieces and leave those pieces in the oil pan.


Even when used correctly, sometimes bad things can still happen. I've seen a nitrous backfire in an intake blow intake scoops straight off dragsters, and 60 feet into the air. Of course those were systems with several hundred to a thousand HP added with nitrous, too. A 50-75 shot should be very little risk as long as it's installed and used properly, on a Fiero.
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Check your local department of transport rules first. In my jurisdicion NOS is outlawed for street use

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Even when used correctly, sometimes bad things can still happen. I've seen a nitrous backfire in an intake blow intake scoops straight off dragsters, and 60 feet into the air. Of course those were systems with several hundred to a thousand HP added with nitrous, too. A 50-75 shot should be very little risk as long as it's installed and used properly, on a Fiero.


TUNED is a very important factor. You pull a system out of the box, drop it on the car and go run fast... it needs to be dialed in with the right nozzle sizes, fuel pressure, throttle switch setup, etc.


I thought it was illegal for street use pretty much everywhere.

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TUNED is a very important factor. You pull a system out of the box, drop it on the car and go run fast... it needs to be dialed in with the right nozzle sizes, fuel pressure, throttle switch setup, etc.


I thought it was illegal for street use pretty much everywhere.


Yeah. It is pretty much illegal on the street pretty much everywhere in the US at this point.
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Check your local department of transport rules first. In my jurisdicion NOS is outlawed for street use



Australia doesn't even like blow off valves, so I'm pretty sure NOS is probably illegal on street cars too, down there.
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Australia doesn't even like blow off valves, so I'm pretty sure NOS is probably illegal on street cars too, down there.


here if we want to do anything with a car of any kind , we have to get an engineering report costing from $500 to $1800.
NOS is definently not allowed for street use because the cops know they can't catch a car on NOS.
They just will radio ahead and use road spikes
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here if we want to do anything with a car of any kind , we have to get an engineering report costing from $500 to $1800.
NOS is definently not allowed for street use because the cops know they can't catch a car on NOS.
They just will radio ahead and use road spikes


Of course they can catch you. NOS will only run for a few seconds. Any modern police car is going to be far faster than a 2.8L Fiero. Once your NOS shot is used up, they will catch up to you in no time

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Of course they can catch you. NOS will only run for a few seconds. Any modern police car is going to be far faster than a 2.8L Fiero. Once your NOS shot is used up, they will catch up to you in no time


Especially after you burn a hole in the pistons and end up in a ditch or something. Even on a car built to handle the N2O, they will still catch you. The scene in Gone in 60 Seconds was fun, but not at all realistic (well, unless the cops flying the heli are really that stupid). N2O is illegal for safety reasons, not because the cops are afraid they won't catch you.
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Especially after you burn a hole in the pistons and end up in a ditch or something. Even on a car built to handle the N2O, they will still catch you. The scene in Gone in 60 Seconds was fun, but not at all realistic (well, unless the cops flying the heli are really that stupid). N2O is illegal for safety reasons, not because the cops are afraid they won't catch you.


I don't think it's illegal for an actual reason. It's just illegal, like pot.
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I don't think it's illegal for an actual reason. It's just illegal, like pot.


NOx / Possibly an emission issue.

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Report this Post04-16-2015 08:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for WillClick Here to Email WillSend a Private Message to WillEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
"Possibly" = wild ass guess.

The reason most things are made law is that some special interest group that makes campaign contributions asked for it to be made law. Looking for a "reason" is pointless because there isn't one.
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Proff, do you think you'll get even more of a boost with NOS than with your H2/O2 electrolysis (browns gas) nonsense?
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