So I have searched but I haven't found a list of the basic requirements to install a 3800 SC engine with a 5 speed manual. Here is all I think I need. I have added links and the plan is to keep everything I purchase in my first post for an easy list. I am just going to turn this in to my slow build thread. Think about getting an extra cradle so I can drive my baby while I put this together by spring. 1.) reprogrammed PCM - still needed 2.) front motor mount (poly's recommended all around but not require right away) - bought Rodney Dickmans poly mounts 3.) combine wiring harness. Not sure what portion yet. Drew-py is going to help me with that! 4.) stronger clutch- bought this 5.) flywheel. 98 Camaro flywheel machined down to 0.840 and balance matched to the L67 flexplate 1.07 down to .840 bought at summit https://www.summitracing.co...anner=MobileSwitchNo 5.) exhaust. Manifolds are on the engine - still needed magnaflow planned for lower drone bought magnaflow need to list model number here 6.) coolant lines for radiator Links http://www.google.com/searc...&hl=en&client=safari second line http://www.autozone.com/bel...o-hose-upper-/66486/ 7.) fuel pump found on another thread from sig below. May set up to Delphi or maybe this pump http://shop.advanceautopart...ump-e3270n/3141470-P purchased 8.) I am replacing gaskets since some where not on the engine already, I don't want to pull it out for an oil leak or any other. - purchased 9.) Fiero stock starter can be used.
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If you are keeping your Fiero Manual trans that yea your right on it, But you'll need to upgrade to Rodneys polly trans mounts sooner rather than later. and set aside $400-600 for misc problem solving, (Exhaust, air filter, Coolant lines, Fluids, Ect.) Oh and a Fuel pump if your running a Supercharger
There are several threads showing stainless braided fuel lines. The link below has some pictures of the lines. There are other threads that show how these lines look on the car. You can use hose, but it doesn't look as good and probably not as safe. GM dust buster van equipped with 3800 NA engines used these lines and some members were selling them for about $50/set. One end is a standard GM push lock connector at the engine fuel line manifold. The other needs to be connected to whatever lines you run from the fuel filter area. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/133770.html
Thanks AutoMarshal your thread is full of info I need. Found one so I pulled the trigger but I wish I had read yours first. It's stated don't pull the head unless you have to, well the PO already did. So what do I need to do now?
PCM has a modded tune, so I will be sending in for a new one.
I need a wiring diagram to for combining the harnesses, who has that?
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Thanks DF,looks like Greek right now but hopefully I can decipher all that. look like my particular PCM is not shown on that site. 0935488 but it is a 97 Grand Prix The note that the owner before the owner that I got the engine from that never did anything with it but take it apart had a note that zzp tuned it. 1.0 PCM L36 map + L67 FB ( I think FB)
I don't suppose it matter since I will have DF prgram the PCM.
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Great post, I am pursuing this swap myself running the M19 4 speed, I like the backroads and curves of the Tennessee hills/mountains. I have never been into 1/4 or WOT, more into torque and brief bouts of spirited driving. (too many tickets in my 20 year driving career)
I see quite a few available near me ranging from $400-1200 with others further away all the way up to $3200. What price range should one expect to pay for a useable 3800SC?
I plan to rebuild whatever I do purchase unless I come across a very low mileage. I am in no rush, I want a factory fit/finish and done properly to insure the least amount of issues possible. The local ones would allow me the ability to inspect, perform some basic test to insure functionality.
Thanks DF,looks like Greek right now but hopefully I can decipher all that. look like my particular PCM is not shown on that site. 0935488 but it is a 97 Grand Prix The note that the owner before the owner that I got the engine from that never did anything with it but take it apart had a note that zzp tuned it. 1.0 PCM L36 map + L67 FB ( I think FB)
I don't suppose it matter since I will have DF prgram the PCM.
The 0935488 number you found was probably the "HDW NO." and that is unimportant. You need to be looking for the "SERV NO." instead.
If you have not gone to far past the engine buying/building point, come this summer the engine I am running will be coming out because I am building another one with more power. I will be selling the engine short block for sure maybe more. It will come with the flywheel/clutch and has about 30k miles on motor, clutch has under 5k. No idea how much I want havent given much thought yet but we could discuss. I also have the wire pin out diagram and its not greek to me since I have built a couple now. My flex fuel lines are all converted to SS braided with a-n fittings. Coolant lines are simple also, and the biggest help is knowing you have some one close by that has one to look at while building yours so you can make design choices for yours based on what you like or don't like about the way I did mine
Definately makes it easier with someone close by. What gaskets brand did you use? I would like to order them now. Where did you get and brand of fuel lines? Are my coolant pipe to engine rubber lines the correct ones or the one you used? I hope I have it together for spring but we will see.
In that vein and not off topic, I have a question: If you get a long block crate engine can you add a supercharger? Is there a difference between the 3800 and 3800 SC besides the supercharger? Can you get a crate engine suitable for supercharging or would you have to rebuild with stronger pistons, etc. first?
If you need a specifically built engine for supercharging what ballpark can you expect to spend on rebuilding assuming you need new over-sized pistons? I had an engine rebuilt with 150k on it and it needed new pistons, so I assume this scenario is not unlikely.
I'm in some kind of limbo with PFF. It won't allow me to create my own topic. It just barely allows posting replies. That's ok though, I'm mostly just curious. My DD is fine, but the other, original 85 SE vin 9 won't start. It may now have a broken piston ring as well. If I were to do a swap I'd rather not put in a used engine, but I don't see crate 3800SC's. Thanks for your reply.
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