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V8 swap with auto by TM
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Report this Post08-14-2014 10:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TMClick Here to Email TMSend a Private Message to TMEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I am putting a V8 with a 4 speed auto. I am using a 4T60 trans. This will be a 350 chevy with a 600 Quick Fuel carburetor.

What axles are to be used with this combination?

Is there a specific kick down cable for the application?

If there are any tips or suggestions I am excited to get started.

Thank in advance for your time.
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Contact V8 Archie. He will have all of the parts that you will need and all of the answers. V8 Fieros are his specialty.
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I had tried to reach out for him but he has retired. I thought with the following this forum has someone might be able to answer or lead me in the right direction.

Thanks
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I had tried to reach out for him but he has retired. I thought with the following this forum has someone might be able to answer or lead me in the right direction.

Thanks
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Report this Post08-15-2014 12:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageClick Here to Email ArchieSend a Private Message to ArchieEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm pretty sure he posted that he was SEMI-retiring. He said it ment that he was still selling the V-8 kits & some of the other fiberglass parts he has been making.

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I had tried to reach out for him but he has retired. I thought with the following this forum has someone might be able to answer or lead me in the right direction.

Thanks


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Report this Post08-15-2014 07:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TMClick Here to Email TMSend a Private Message to TMEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
How do you get a hold of a semi retired person?

Do you have contact information?

Thanks

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He is a member of the forum so someone here will see his and post his user name or he may see it himself.
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LOL.
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While you think it is funny, I am trying to get some information. Instead LOL maybe you have some constructive information or correct parts to sell.

Yes I seen the response and that is why I asked the way I had. I have sent pm's, an email and still no response. This is the reason I reached out on this forum.

I am not trying to throw money away but I have saved up to complete this project and was just looking for some additional information and purchase the rest of the parts needed.

I don't like asking for help because of how people treat others. If a person reaches out for assistance why laugh at them? I was hoping other enthusiasts who be willing to help.

If anyone would take the time to help I would appreciate it.

Thank you.
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While you think it is funny, I am trying to get some information. Instead LOL maybe you have some constructive information or correct parts to sell.


The LOL is because Archie replied directly in this thread and you and Csjag both totally failed to catch that.

Archie still sells the swap kits. Buy the swap kit from Archie.
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I did see the response from Archie. That is why I asked how to get a hold of a semi retired person.

I have since seeing his message, sent an email and a pm. I have not had any responses from him.

Does any one have some insight on the original questions? I was hoping this would have gone a completely different direction.

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I know how you feel. Good luck getting any useful info on this site. There are too many know it alls that just want to argue and critisize. I hope you find what you are looking for, but dont get your hopes up from here. Van
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Contact Information

V-8 Archie Inc.
5328 Forest Hills Ct.
Loves Park, IL 61111

Phone:

U.S. Toll Free 1-800-891-3608
All others Call 1-815-282-9226
Off Hours Cell Phone 1-847-212-3909

Email at Archie@v8archie.com

Hours: 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM

Phone is the best way to get hold of him from what I understand. Hope this helps. Buying his V8 kit would be the best way to get started on a swap. And he gives great support for his products.
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I'm pretty sure he posted that he was SEMI-retiring. He said it ment that he was still selling the V-8 kits & some of the other fiberglass parts he has been making.

A



And sure Archie was being tongue in cheek. I see you are new. Welcome to the forum! Please notice the smilie face in the upper LEFT corner of his post. We like to have fun here too!!

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I know how you feel. Good luck getting any useful info on this site. There are too many know it alls that just want to argue and critisize. I hope you find what you are looking for, but dont get your hopes up from here. Van


This site is a wealth of information, you just have to learn how to look for it, or wait for the right people to respond.

If you have a specific question about a vendor's product, E-mail/PM/Call the vendor and give them time to respond, or use the search feature or google.

Now just so you don't lump me in the "know it all" group...

 
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What axles are to be used with this combination?

Is there a specific kick down cable for the application?

If there are any tips or suggestions I am excited to get started.


The 4T60 swap (not SBC swap) normally uses both driver/passenger axles from a 1989 Pontiac 6000 w/ 4 speed auto and light duty brakes. The Pontiac 6000 has the same track width as the Fiero and GM put the 4T60 in it from factory. However, it came with the 5x100 wheel pattern and 5 x 115 depending on options and you need the ones for the 5x100 wheel bearings (33mm CV spine and a 30mm nut). Now, the SBC swap tends to shift the transmission to the driver side some and I do not know if the factory Pontiac 6000 axles have enough play in the tripods to accommodate the shift. However, this thread says that they do work, but you must use them to help determine engine placement:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...090219-2-081758.html

The 4T60 uses a vacuum modulator as well as a TV cable. When I swapped a 4T60 with a 4.3 CPI engine, I just got one of the universal fit TV cables that are adjustable. This is the FITZALL Universal Adjustable Detent Cable (M-T54497U) for the 125C, TH200, 200C, 200-4R, 440-T4, 700-R4, and the 4L60 Transmissions.


Spend the $$$ to get a TV cable bracket for the carb. The distance the cable is pulled out controls downshifting, so you will need the proper TV bracket to avoid issues. Here is an example of one from holley:


Getting most, if not all of your questions answered in less than 24hrs is pretty good...
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I appreciate the positive feed back. I will use this information and hopefully have this completed in the near future.

This information will help me refocus my efforts. I was frustrated and felt uncomfortable to ask but did want to waste anymore time.

Thanks again.
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I know how you feel. Good luck getting any useful info on this site. There are too many know it alls that just want to argue and critisize. I hope you find what you are looking for, but dont get your hopes up from here. Van


Don't forget that people volunteer their time and effort to respond to your questions. As Fieroguru says, there is more Fiero knowledge and experience here than anywhere else on the web. Be courteous to those that respond.
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Originally posted by TM:

I appreciate the positive feed back. I will use this information and hopefully have this completed in the near future.

This information will help me refocus my efforts. I was frustrated and felt uncomfortable to ask but did want to waste anymore time.

Thanks again.


I know what you mean. Been here for a while, but there are people here that know a lot more than me. You are not wasting anyone's time. We love Fieros. That's why we are here.

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Originally posted by TM:
I appreciate the positive feed back. I will use this information and hopefully have this completed in the near future.

This information will help me refocus my efforts. I was frustrated and felt uncomfortable to ask but did want to waste anymore time.

Thanks again.


From your posts, it appeared to me that you were being impatient. Archie is the only one selling V8 kits for Fieros, and is constantly being asked questions by people. He also semi-retired, as mentioned, and is moving halfway across the country and working to get everything set up again to be a bit more responsive. Just be patient. If you get impatient, you're just going to get frustrated, and it will lead to making mistakes if you try to work on the swap while you're frustrated and impatient. If there's anything one needs when doing a drivetrain swap in a Fiero, especially the first time, it's patience.

So just be patient and Archie should eventually reply to you. Also, I think the best way to get hold of him, is to call on the phone. PMs on the forum and e-mails will have a much slower response time.
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I do appreciate the positive comments. Yes I need to use patients but thought it was going the wrong direction.

I am gearing up to do the swap next weekend.

Thanks for the information.
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I have in the Widow the exact setup minus tranny that you are lookin to do.... mine has presently a OEM manual4 speed but my F40 6 speed is on a rack waitin to get installed.... If I can be of any help you can PM me anytime

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I was not questioning the amount of knowledge on this sight. Being new however, it is difficult for us to sort through all the idiots, and get any real info. I have already gained some knowledge from this site but most of the time it is so mired in personal opinions and just general BS, that it is often just not worth the trouble. I appreciate those that are really helpful, but on this site it seems like for every post with useful info there are 10 that want to run someone or something down, spout some person opinion, or tell you how smart they are and why you should be doing what they are instead of what you want info on. it is really too bad, because this site could be so much more for those of us that really love the fiero. Sorry for the hi-jack, just thought I should explain myself. Van
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V-8 Archie Inc.
5328 Forest Hills Ct.
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May be obsolete since Archie has moved to Las Vegas last month.
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I was not questioning the amount of knowledge on this sight. Being new however, it is difficult for us to sort through all the idiots, and get any real info. I have already gained some knowledge from this site but most of the time it is so mired in personal opinions and just general BS, that it is often just not worth the trouble. I appreciate those that are really helpful, but on this site it seems like for every post with useful info there are 10 that want to run someone or something down, spout some person opinion, or tell you how smart they are and why you should be doing what they are instead of what you want info on. it is really too bad, because this site could be so much more for those of us that really love the fiero. Sorry for the hi-jack, just thought I should explain myself. Van


While there are the occasional self absorbed people posting, for the most part the varying opinions create a valid discussion that leads to key information that may not previously have been apparent. The book answer for fixing a problem may not always be the best solution on a 25+ year old vehicle. We all learn from the combined experience on this site. Open your mind and don't be so negative. This site is amazing and many of the people will bend over backwards to help figure out your problems.
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I have a V8 archie kit. It has had a 440T4, a 4T60, and a 4T60-E over the years. It has had TPI, crossfire, and holley efi on a victor-E intake. It has a carb on it now. How I did the 1st install is in my youtube vid "chevy V8 fiero-4". You can get a lot of trans info ( how to read the trans tags, how to read the tags on the converters ) from "GMTUNERS.COM", free down loads. He tells how to build your axles. On my car I had archie make me a drivers side axle.

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