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1988 GT won't start after sitting for 6 months by hcforde
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It started and ran well up to that time. I have tried 2 other batteries that work with my other cars but the 88 will turn on the lights fan, etc. The horn makes like a buzzing sound rather than a honk, and when I turn the key nothing. absolutely nothing. No whirrrrr from the fuel pump, no click from the starter, nothing.

Any suggestions on where to start to troubleshoot this? Could the starter/solenoid have locked up somehow? In the starting sequence does one faulty component stop the other from initiating? I want to start working on them again and the other Fiero's will start up with no issues.


The last thing I want to hear is that the fuel pump is bad, and that is the first thing I need to change.
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Does the car have a kill switch under the dash?

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Likely one of the ground wires or the wire to the starter. No big problem, just clean them up. Larry
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Does the car have a kill switch under the dash?


No, I would be aware of that. I am the only driver.
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Likely one of the ground wires or the wire to the starter. No big problem, just clean them up. Larry


OK, I will look at them.

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Did you inspect the battery cables, at the battery for acid buildup (you need to look at the contact ends)?
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You should have occasionally driven it and you wouldnt have had a problem Things like this always back me up about people storing cars for long periods of at least several months having all kinds of problems. Yours does sound like a bad connection somewhere...cable ends, grounds, junction box, fusible links, etc.
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Turn on the headlights and have someone turn it to start. Do the headlights go out during this? If so you have a bad connection to the battery. Headlights stay on - then your problem is elsewhere.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

You should have occasionally driven it and you wouldnt have had a problem Things like this always back me up about people storing cars for long periods of at least several months having all kinds of problems. Yours does sound like a bad connection somewhere...cable ends, grounds, junction box, fusible links, etc.


I agree, when we put the Fiero away for the winter, its Maine winters can last 6 months sometimes with the snow and all. So I try to at least once a month to go out and start it and let it run until warmed up. but as others have said check all connections, all it takes is one corroded connection to keep a car from starting, I love Reba, the name our daughter gave all our Fieros, as she has never failed to start even after a few months of not being run.

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Originally posted by James Bond 007:

Did you inspect the battery cables, at the battery for acid buildup (you need to look at the contact ends)?


Just to be sure I went out and bought a new battery. Same symptoms!!!!!!!. The wires are clean at the battery. I did not think I would have this problem in Austin, TX. We are in a drought. The other 3 cars that can start, do so without any issues.

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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

You should have occasionally driven it and you wouldnt have had a problem Things like this always back me up about people storing cars for long periods of at least several months having all kinds of problems. Yours does sound like a bad connection somewhere...cable ends, grounds, junction box, fusible links, etc.


They have hidden the starter on these making that cable hard to access. Naturally, this is the one I wanted to start working on to bring it back to pristine condition. The others will require much more work than this one. I did not think I would have an issue because it had been garaged all of its life. It was working well when I parked it. NOW I KNOW.


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Is it an automatic or a standard ?

If automatic - has the shifter been bumped, so that the neutral safety switch is not working ?

If standard - is the clutch safety switch working ?

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Originally posted by phonedawgz:

Turn on the headlights and have someone turn it to start. Do the headlights go out during this? If so you have a bad connection to the battery. Headlights stay on - then your problem is elsewhere.


I will try that tonight
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Originally posted by Butcheroo:

Is it an automatic or a standard ?

If automatic - has the shifter been bumped, so that the neutral safety switch is not working ?

If standard - is the clutch safety switch working ?

Dale



It is Automatic. I tried to start it in Park and Neutral. I will take a deeper look at that also.
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You can check the safety switch by holding the key on and moving the shifter while you hold the button down thru all the gears. If you hit a sweet spot thats not aligned right, youll have it crank.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

You can check the safety switch by holding the key on and moving the shifter while you hold the button down thru all the gears. If you hit a sweet spot thats not aligned right, youll have it crank.


Ayup, have had more than one ford that I had to literally pull up on the column gear shift lever to get the starter to engage.

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Ayup, have had more than one ford that I had to literally pull up on the column gear shift lever to get the starter to engage.

Steve



Nice anti-theft feature on the car huh, lol!!
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Originally posted by trotterlg:

Likely one of the ground wires or the wire to the starter. No big problem, just clean them up. Larry


Really, Larry!!! It can't be that simple.

LOL.....................I went out and decided to clip a wire from the engine to the negative battery terminal. Turned the key and got a click. turned it again and the starter engaged and it started right up. It WAS that easy. I had gone out and purchased a toner to trace wires, an automotive multimeter, A LED flex camera so I could work on this properly. Oh well, I can take them back or maybe do an engine swap. Yeah, amateur night at my place coming to a forum near you soon.

Thanks again Larry, Roger, Phonedawg and everyone else.
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I always start with the simplest and less likely first. Glad you got it running, and if you get your money back, hasnt cost you anything. If your battery is more than 4 years old, it not a bad idea to keep the new one though.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

You should have occasionally driven it and you wouldnt have had a problem Things like this always back me up about people storing cars for long periods of at least several months having all kinds of problems. Yours does sound like a bad connection somewhere...cable ends, grounds, junction box, fusible links, etc.


Or, if it can't be driven, but runs, run it till fully warm once in a while. When my 88 t-top coupe was "grounded" for a year because of a bad throw-out bearing (requiring a big job to change a small part), I ran it once in a while until I got around to dropping the cradle and changing the part. It started right up when I was done, and now I'm driving it every day.
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

I always start with the simplest and less likely first. Glad you got it running, and if you get your money back, hasnt cost you anything. If your battery is more than 4 years old, it not a bad idea to keep the new one though.


Thanks Roger, You are very diplomatic. You have a nice way of reminding me of the K.I.S.S. theory. LOL I did keep the new battery in it as I plan on puttting some nice touches on it. This is the one below that I drove from Chicago to Austin.

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1988 GT, Automatic, running - bought in Illinois and drove to Austin
1986 SE, 4 cyl, 5 speed running - Bought in California and drove to Austin
1988 GT, T-Top - non running - "Trailered" back from California going to be restored (in storage)
1986 GT, highly modified engine/exhaust, but slave/clutch issue - Trailered back from Las Cruces, NM Chop-top candidate (in storage)
1986 SE, bought locally, Automatic won't shift into gear - Chop-top candidate (in storage)

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Or, if it can't be driven, but runs, run it till fully warm once in a while. When my 88 t-top coupe was "grounded" for a year because of a bad throw-out bearing (requiring a big job to change a small part), I ran it once in a while until I got around to dropping the cradle and changing the part. It started right up when I was done, and now I'm driving it every day.


The other 3 runners started up except this one. The 86 4 cylinder I have parked at the house so I would drive it around the neighborhood at least once a month.

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