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F23 Clutch STILL NOT Disengaging! HELP!! by 1986Fiero
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Report this Post04-05-2014 01:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1986FieroSend a Private Message to 1986FieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I got my f23 back in with the spacer that I made and bled the system and the clutch wont disengage all the way still. I pumped the pedal really fast about ten times and it disengaged but it wont disengage when I only pump it once. So I know my spacer is big enough. Is there a special bleeding procedure for bleeding an HTOB? Im just getting irritated with this thing now. Thanks for any help!
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Report this Post04-05-2014 01:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ericjon262Send a Private Message to ericjon262Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
how old is the master? the level in the reservoir isn't going down is it?
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Report this Post04-05-2014 02:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1986FieroSend a Private Message to 1986FieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The master is about three years old and no its not. No leaks anywhere and the HTOB isnt overextended. It disengages but it still is engaged enough to where it rolls when i start it in gear.
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Report this Post04-05-2014 03:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FIEROFLYERSend a Private Message to FIEROFLYEREdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Has to be air in the system some where or bad master by the sound if it. Every F23 I did so far bled up nice and easy so I would say master is bad.

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Report this Post04-05-2014 03:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by 1986Fiero:
I pumped the pedal really fast about ten times and it disengaged but it wont disengage when I only pump it once.


ALWAYS an indicator of air in the system. The air never gets out until you are totally frustrated.
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Report this Post04-05-2014 03:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1986FieroSend a Private Message to 1986FieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have solid fluid coming from the bleeder when i bleed it. Should i wait a few hours to rebleed it? Maybe the master is bad again as well?
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Report this Post04-05-2014 05:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for tebaileySend a Private Message to tebaileyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Mine had problems too, until I went back to the slave, loosened the bleeder then pulled the slave shaft in and tightened the bleeder. Real good pedal now. The slave holds a little bubble of air that regular bleeding won't get out.
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Report this Post04-05-2014 05:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1986FieroSend a Private Message to 1986FieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
What do you mean by slave shaft in?
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Report this Post04-05-2014 06:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
F23 is Hydraulic throw-out bearing (HTOB).....I don't believe it has a slave cylinder.

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The air never gets out until you are totally frustrated.


haha, best quote ive heard in a while.
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The shaft end that sets against the throw out arm.
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Report this Post04-05-2014 10:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for krumSend a Private Message to krumEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
is your clutch pedal a after market one because 84-86 clutch pedals were alum and bend i had the same problem with mine changed everything and didnt have to it was the pedal the whole time
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Report this Post04-05-2014 10:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1986FieroSend a Private Message to 1986FieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Its the stock pedal. I will check for bends tomorrow. Thanks for the info.
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Report this Post04-06-2014 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Here is what to look for.
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Make sure you are not over pushing. Try pushing the pedal down half way or 3/4 way.

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If i overpush then the clutch wont disengage?
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I think Rodney is talking about bleeding the system. Don't push the pedal to the floor before opening the bleeder. Push the pedal down until it hits resistance, and continue pushing as the bleeder lets fluid out. With the pedal to the floor, air gets back in somehow.....
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Report this Post04-06-2014 04:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ericjon262Send a Private Message to ericjon262Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
also, do you have thread tape on the bleeder? air can get by it in the bleeding process and make things a PITA.
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I dont have anything on the bleeder. I can put some pipe dope on it later and try it again tomorrow and ill push down only until i feel tension.
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I dont have anything on the bleeder. I can put some pipe dope on it later and try it again tomorrow and ill push down only until i feel tension.


I would carefully apply teflon tape instead of pipe dope.
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Okay. Ill put some teflon tape on there instead. That makes more sense. Ill let everyone know what happens tomorrow. Hopefully itll work. Thanks alot everybody.
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The. Clutch will reengage with too much travel.
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Why would i have too much travel?
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Why would i have too much travel?


Using a variety of parts from other car(s). Too much stroke for that type of clutch. The FWD car this trans was used in the master displaces less fluid on full pedal travel. You will not know until you try it.

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Report this Post04-06-2014 09:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for krumSend a Private Message to krumEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
thats exactly how my pedal looked
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Report this Post04-08-2014 01:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1986FieroSend a Private Message to 1986FieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
My clutch pedal is perfectly straight. I vacuum bled it and now I can start it in gear but it is still engaged very little that I cant get it out of gear or start it in neutral then put it in gear. I'm going to wait another day and see if I have more air tomorrow with the vacuum bleeder. I think I still have air the HTOB that is trapped. Any other suggestions?
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Did you ever get this issue resolved?
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