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To cat or not to cat? by Diamond Dave
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Yeah I bought this exact cat last year and it worked great. That went on my old 2.8 after the honeycomb in the old cat rattled loose. Cat deletes are even legal here in idaho as the OP knows, but I opted to get a $250 high flow magnaflow cat installed because

1. Cars smell


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Yum. Smog. Do your part people.

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Originally posted by Diamond Dave:

To cat or not to cat? That is queston being asked. Here is my opinion.

Unless your cat is old and plugged up you will receive little to no improvement in either sound or horsepower gains by NOT running a cat.


There is most definitely a difference in sound of a stock system with a catalytic converter and with an otherwise stock system without the catalytic converter. I have one of each, and I've had Fieros with a converter and no muffler.

On the decibel scale, the cat without muffler was the loudest, followed by stock without cat, then with complete stock as the quietest.
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I originally started this post to get good information to newer car guys that in my opinion were getting bad information from some members. Yes you can get a louder car without a cat. Will you gain horsepower? Not measurable. Will it sound better? Again personal opinions are rampant. IMO Not if you use a high flow cat. Straight pipes should only be used off road and running without a cat is illegal. The fiero nazi's are upset because I pointed this out. They didn't even consider that there are no real gains in horsepower or noise. Just that it is government mandated so there for let's villify someone who just pointed it out. And by the way that is technical information some need to be aware of. I did not try to to be politicaal only practical. It is still up to everyone to decide what they want to do. I did not wish to start a rumble. Just point out you can have a great sounding car with a cat and muffler. I hope this helps the people who were asking about this subject. Peace to all others who just want to pick out what they percieve as a bad, political motivated post. I assure you that was not my intent. Look at my modified first post if you doubt me.

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Report this Post04-03-2014 02:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for firebossSend a Private Message to firebossEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So...

1.you start by a political motivated post. And seem to claim your statements are the only seeds of truth...
then go back and "EDIT" your modified post to distort what you have said.

2 you state that " The fiero nazi's are upset ". And are trying to " villify someone who just pointed it out".

The only one who seems to be a " fiero Nazi" is you as you "villify " other members who are not enlightend enough to have the great reasoning skills as you the great Captain Planet.....



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not to reword my post and claim I never ment what I posted

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Originally posted by fierofool:


There is most definitely a difference in sound of a stock system with a catalytic converter and with an otherwise stock system without the catalytic converter. I have one of each, and I've had Fieros with a converter and no muffler.

On the decibel scale, the cat without muffler was the loudest, followed by stock without cat, then with complete stock as the quietest.

So finally I seem to have an answer. I've been reading all the "Cat or not" post and even asking about the sound. I don't mean to high jack, but is there a real noticeable sound difference when removing the cat? I have a Thrush muffler and it sounds nice but would like to know how removing the cat would effect the sound. Make it higher or deeper toned? I definitely don't want the ricer sound. Anyone who actually knows and can remove their world view from the answer I would like to hear from Thanx. PM me if you know but don't want to get bashed for killing the world.
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I have 2 stock 2.8 ,same stock exhaust.One has the cat one doesn't.The cat stoped up and we removed it and replaced it with flex pipe. The sound diff. is more of a deeper toned and is much better than the stock..
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We each have our own opinions about the sound without a cat, alot of folks like it, I prefer a lower thunderous thumpy sound to my exhaust. A stock doesnt really sound like that, neither does a cat removal, but mine is currently stock, if I wanted it lower I would use larger tubes and a different muffler. I suggest searching some online vids for stock and without cat. Even though you will still have the quality of the recording to deal with. The best thing you could do is go so some Fiero shows and hear them in person

http://www.youtube.com/resu...ry=fiero+without+cat

http://www.youtube.com/resu...=stock+fiero+exhaust

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Imho cats and mufflers do not hamper sound or horsepower to any real measurable differences except on tracklike conditions and the sound will yes be loud and raw. Most of the questions here were about streetable cars and so I stand by what I said and have experienced. A good high flow cat and muffler will not affect horsepower to any great degree. It can still have aggressive sound with high flow capabilities. And yes in this one case I believe it is the right and responsible thing to do to use a cat on the streets. That is just my opinion and a valid one for most up here. I could be petty and follow you guys around and trash your posts but really. ..I have better things to do and it doesn't help anyone which is what we were suppose to do here. Help others in all things fiero. Peace and have fun with your Fieros no matter what.

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Noticed your doing that EDIT thing again.....
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Begone Troll. And stop editing your posts to make other members look like jerks. You posted what you posted, then when you thought you looked stupid you changed it. Just go away, there is no place here for you. Larry
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racingfortheson, check your pm for a sound bite
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trotterlg you are a jerk and add nothing of value to this post. This is my posting and all your and fireboss bashing is just some ramblings by immature, inebriated, jackoffs that really should shut the f up. Go bother someone who cares.


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racingfortheson, check your pm for a sound bite


Thanx, just wanted to make sure everyone knows. I'm going to remove my cat, bah ha ha ha I am now a hater of everyone and O the smell will make everyone sick, on wait, a everyone has there windows up and the a/c going because they love the world so much. Sorry I couldn't help but stir the pot. I'll try and do before and after video's of how it sounds.
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Let us know what you think about the sound afterwards....

Got to go ,have to go and cut a tree down in a lake of acid water while eating a ham sandwich with non organic mayo ,while sucking the exhaust from my car into the 2nd story window of a baby seal orphanage.....and listening to "99 red ballons" on my old lead acid battery powered Walkman..

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Thanx, just wanted to make sure everyone knows. I'm going to remove my cat, bah ha ha ha I am now a hater of everyone and O the smell will make everyone sick, on wait, a everyone has there windows up and the a/c going because they love the world so much. Sorry I couldn't help but stir the pot.


Nice.

So who's "the son" you're "racing for"?
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Fireboss..

Enough, He gets the point. /thread.
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Nice.

So who's "the son" you're "racing for"?


We have a Christian racing team, checkout our YouTube channel www.youtube.com/racingfortheson

That being said, I'm feel like a bad person because of how much enjoyment I have gotten from this page. 😂
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Originally posted by racingfortheson:

We have a Christian racing team...

That being said, I'm feel like a bad person because of how much enjoyment I have gotten from this page.


I'm sure you're feeling just terrible about the fun you've had.

For a guy that lists "Jesus" as the very first interest in his Profile, you're acting very un-Christ-like. Your posts aren't the worst in this thread, but jumping on the bandwagon to mock someone for absolutely no valid reason is rather disgusting nevertheless. It's hypocrisy like this that turned me off organized religion, Christian or otherwise, years ago.

Yeah, I'm sure the Son would be really proud of your behavior here.
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Y'all are funny. I just went back and read my post and if y'all can't see the funny then your loss. Don't for get we are not solving the worlds problems here, we are having fun talking about a car that we are all in love with for no good reason. They where not fast, light or made all that great, but the car is AWESOME to us. Get over yourself and start being a lil more light hearted. One thing for sure, if cracking jokes makes me a back follower of Jesus then I'm lost. (Ha ha get it "lost" ??)
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Rationalize it all you want... this turned into an ugly thread.
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Fireboss..

Enough, He gets the point. /thread.


No,he doesnt
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Christian being a relative term. Hateful, disrespectful of good advice, not given by me but by others respected on thisnforum, and a downright disregard for others. Yeah that sounds just like a Christian. Racing for the son is no reference to Christ as he would not condone this type of behavior. Good try. I'm done.


O if only you truly were "Done"
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Rationalize it all you want... this turned into an ugly thread.


Yes it has and you were in the forefront when you first started posting.
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Yes it has and you were in the forefront when you first started posting.


Are you suggesting I contributed to this being an "ugly thread"? If so, please point out where exactly this occurred.
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No he doesn't. I am ashamed that fireboss had anything to do with something I hold dear. If you were ever on my fire team with your attitude you would have had your balls wrapped around your head.


Yep, cause the first thing you worry about in a fire fight is a few post on an internet site...
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Are you suggesting I contributed to this being an "ugly thread"? If so, please point out where exactly this occurred.


I don't own it but here a pict of an Enterra Vipre...



See I can't be all bad...
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See I can't be all bad...


Look... I don't know you, and I don't know Diamond Dave. However, IMO you've gone overboard with your posts in this thread. There was no need to be so nasty. If you didn't like what Dave was posting in a thread that he started, no one was forcing you read his posts or to participate. Or you could've disagreed in a civil manner.

Unfortunately I see this in O/T all the time. It's bad enough there... but I hate seeing this nonsense in the tech forums. It isn't necessary.
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Look... I don't know you, and I don't know Diamond Dave. However, IMO you've gone overboard with your posts in this thread. There was no need to be so nasty. If you didn't like what Dave was posting in a thread that he started, no one was forcing you read his posts or to participate. Or you could've disagreed in a civil manner.

Unfortunately I see this in O/T all the time. It's bad enough there... but I hate seeing this nonsense in the tech forums. It isn't necessary.


You go nasty over a person religion,This Diamond Dave spouts hatred and cutting off balls and all of the nasty PMs he is sending to members.
Yet we are overboard.

Well excuse me if I could care less what you think should be said in an unapproved post by you.
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You go nasty over a person religion...


Yeah right...

You're obviously only interested in being a disruptive influence here.
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Yeah right...

You're obviously only interested in being a disruptive influence here.


Yep

And you the Great vision of reason,sent forth to enlighten all who differ from you and trample upon others as you see fit...
For only through your knowledge and wisdom shall we realize you are the ultimate poster of tolerance..
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Tell you what... Just carry on by yourself. No one else (but you) is interested in this nonsense. Good day.
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To Quote Rodney King ---"Can we all get along?" and "I don't see how you can grow as a world without being able to get along with people. So many people is hating out there and it's not making a difference".
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Tell you what... Just carry on by yourself. No one else (but you) is interested in this nonsense. Good day.


Well I guess you put me in my place.....

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