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sail panel cameoff again by hookdonspeed
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Had a body shop install my fastback sail panels, the drivers side came off today, but it wasn't for lack of holdinon the tape they used (gave them he 3m part number for the right stuff, I assume they used it), the paint on the window seems to have separated from the window... No idea what windows they are. any recommendations on wtf I can do to fix this???
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I had this identical problem happen to me as well. Tape was still on the car with what appeared to be the black paint that is sprayed on the widow to "blackout" the black area. My windows were the tinted ones from the fierostore. I was going quite fast when it came out and it caught my eye in the driver side mirror.

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Maybe the paint should be scraped off the side where the tape is applied.

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Originally posted by FIEROPHREK:

I had this identical problem happen to me as well. Tape was still on the car with what appeared to be the black paint that is sprayed on the widow to "blackout" the black area. My windows were the tinted ones from the fierostore. I was going quite fast when it came out and it caught my eye in the driver side mirror.



think mine are the same,t hey are `tinted` and that's exacly what happened, tapes still ont he car, windows has missing `paint` where the tape went...
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Maybe the paint should be scraped off the side where the tape is applied.

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that's the dotted parrern and all around the window, without it, you can see threw them, wouldn't look very good at all.

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I've got an inch by inch spot up top of panel that has lost its tint. Not that old 3 years.

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I've got an inch by inch spot up top of panel that has lost its tint. Not that old 3 years.



tints fine, its the paint on the back separated from them... they were installed Tuesday...
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Your right it is chipping off.

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Right now, it seems that the best quality fastback quarterwindows are from ChrisCookDesigns.com Having printed plexiglass for about 30 years, and after speaking with Chris, I chose his windows as replacements for my brother's car. I did have a little fitting problem with the passenger side but was able to install it without modification. They have been on the car for a little over a year without problems.

All the black on Chris's windows is screen printed with an acrylic ink. You cannot screen print the dot matrix pattern and GT then spray the solid black with an aerosol 'paint'. The coating (translate as ink, paint) must not just stick to the acrylic, but must bond by crosslinking with the acrylic. It crosslinks by slightly melting into the acrylic. There some coatings that will do that, but may damage the acrylic in the long run.

After receiving a pair from FieroJon, I found the obvious signs that the large black background had been spray painted. The thickness of the coating was much heavier, there was a masking line just in front of the clear portion of the window, and the black background felt soft, or rubbery. In addition, the black background was loaded with trash and had some scratches. After unwrapping the one window that was wrapped, I found it had a FieroStore inventory tag on it and the quality was identical to the window that wasn't wrapped. My conclusion is that they were seconds purchased from FieroStore and resold.

Ask your widow manufacturer if you can do a Scotch Tape Test on their windows and return them if they fail. Any printer worth their salt will know what you're talking about. That was a common test we used for testing adhesion. Apply a 3 inch length of clear Scotch Tape, leaving enough to be able to pull it off. Rub down the remaining area with your finger than rip it off like a lady's hot wax treatment. If the coating sticks, you've got a properly printed quarter window. Buy two pairs of windows. You have RARE Fiero part.
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These came with the car when I got it, sux.. :.
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Right now, it seems that the best quality fastback quarterwindows are from ChrisCookDesigns.com Having printed plexiglass for about 30 years, and after speaking with Chris, I chose his windows as replacements for my brother's car. I did have a little fitting problem with the passenger side but was able to install it without modification. They have been on the car for a little over a year without problems.


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you can find chris cook on ebay. search name gtfiero. he'll be glad to answer any of your questions. Im running his sail panels and love them. heres a link to one of his sales.chris cook sail panels

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how can i identify whos windows i have?
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that would be hard to identify , but if the ink came off i can tell you their not chris's . His screen printing (chemically) melts the ink to the plastic.
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If this is for the '88 then they came from the Fiero Store.
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Generally you can identify a window that is't properly printed and is using spray paint for the solid black background by looking for a vertical line where the appearance of the black coating changes. Several vendor's windows that have the dot matrix actually screen print the dot matrix and the GT logo. Then when it's dry they mask off the print except for a small edge of the front of the matrix. Then they spray paint the solid black background.

The proper coating to use is an acrylic ink. If the logo is printed with acrylic and acrylic paint is sprayed on top of it, it will dissolve the logo and cause it to bleed into the black. Even though screen printing can accomplish because of the method, it can't be done with sprays, so the printer uses something other than acrylic that won't dissolve (re-wet) the logo.

So, look for a straight vertical line just ahead of the open panel of the window. That's your clue that the wrong ink is used and adhesion will be very poor. I fully agree with dematrix86GT.

Look on Ebay for gtfiero as a seller. That's Chris Cook.
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