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Starting issues by josh.rucci
Started on: 01-20-2014 09:22 PM
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Report this Post01-20-2014 09:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for josh.rucciClick Here to Email josh.rucciSend a Private Message to josh.rucciEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have an 86 GT that I has recently had a 2.8 from a donor GT installed. I tried to do a first start last week, but when turning the key, all I got was a higher-pitched whirring noise. Thinking that it was the solenoid gone bad and not kicking the starter to the flywheel, I bought a new starter tonight and tried that. I am on the second new starter, so that is apparently not the issue. Im out of ideas as to what could be causing this. Someone please tell me I'm not going to have to drop the cradle........
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How's the battery? A long time ago I had a battery that was close to dead and there wasn't enough power to push the gear into the flywheel but enough to spin it. Long shot, but possible.
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Report this Post01-20-2014 10:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Slightly bad connections can do the same thing. Maybe the ground to your new engine?
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Slightly bad connections can do the same thing. Maybe the ground to your new engine?


Was just thinking that, my '73 Chev did that as well and it turned out to be the nut on the cable on the starter end. Either way, not getting enough juice will make a starter act that way.

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Report this Post01-21-2014 08:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tebaileyClick Here to Email tebaileySend a Private Message to tebaileyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Sounds like bad ring gear, if you get the starter spinning without engaging try to turn the engine over a little by hand and try again. If the stater engages then it's a bad spot on the ring gear. Or pull the starter and roll it over watching the teeth on the ring gear.
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Report this Post01-21-2014 04:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for AL87Click Here to Email AL87Send a Private Message to AL87Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I am having the same issue, it happened after the cold snap here.

when i try to crank it spins like what is being described here.
mine will engage sometimes, and other times, not so much.
I usually just hold the key while it spins, and then it "warms up" or something and all of a sudden I can hear it spin faster. and then I let off the key.
and try to crank, and it engages just fine. i have a shim on there and the starter is a bosch one when advance used to sell them.

its time for a rebuild, but I am not liking the difficulty in relations to having to pull and re-install it with part of the cradle in the way...
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Report this Post01-21-2014 04:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for tebaileyClick Here to Email tebaileySend a Private Message to tebaileyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Could also be bad starter drive. A lot of rebuilts are using cheap junk to rebuild the starters. Slipping drive ratchet will let the starter spin but not engage the drive.
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Report this Post01-21-2014 04:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for josh.rucciClick Here to Email josh.rucciSend a Private Message to josh.rucciEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The engine is turning over. I don't think I'm getting any gas, because I don't smell the engine flooding after holding on the key. I checked the fuses, ground, and even tried swapping computers, to no avail. Any chance it could be anything besides the fuel pump??
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Yes,,, it could be a bunch of things. Have you tried to start it with starter fluid?
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Could also be bad starter drive. A lot of rebuilts are using cheap junk to rebuild the starters. Slipping drive ratchet will let the starter spin but not engage the drive.


this is my problem, I just checked advance auto's computer they sell a complete starter drive gear-assembly for like... 20 bucks.
its worth just buying that and repairing my bosch starter instead of dumping money into a whole new (or remanufactured) one.

that is worth an hour of my time to take it out, tare it apart, rebuild it, and install it.
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Yes,,, it could be a bunch of things. Have you tried to start it with starter fluid?


Do this, if ti doesnt start, then check for spark at a spark plug too.
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Report this Post01-22-2014 02:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for josh.rucciClick Here to Email josh.rucciSend a Private Message to josh.rucciEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have spark. And I bought a brand new starter, not rebuilt. I'm getting spark, and the engine is turning over fine. Just no gas getting into it. Fuses are all good, and I'm getting power to the pump plug. I just want to exhaust every possibility to avoid dropping the tank, as where I live in KY, it is 14 degrees and an inch of snow in my driveway around the car.
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Report this Post01-22-2014 03:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
14 degrees and an inch of snow..............

When troubleshooting, it is important to verify what you think you know, even when you are sure you know it, especially when it comes to new parts on a Fiero. 'New' does not always mean 'good'. Can you hear the fuel pump when you turn the key?

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Even if you can here the pump run it does not mean your getting fuel. The rubber hose on the pumps do not like alcohol in the new fuels. When I dropped the tank on mine the hose was gone, just little bits of black goo in the bottom of the tank.
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It could also be a plugged fuel filter. May want to crack open the fuel line at the engine, and see if you are getting fuel to that point. (Use all the obvious safety precautions when opening a fuel line...since if you are getting fuel to that point, it'll go everywhere). If you aren't then do the same thing before the fuel filter. If you get fuel, then replace the filter, if not, then sounds like you'll have to pull the tank.
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Report this Post01-26-2014 08:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for josh.rucciClick Here to Email josh.rucciSend a Private Message to josh.rucciEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Ok I have a done a bit of work over the past couple days and this is where I stand now. I am getting gas to the injectors. I had one that had a crushed o-ring and was leaking, so I fixed that. Also had a bad o-ring on one of the hard lines that come off the rail. Fixed that as well. Now the car still won't start. I have re-affirmed that I have spark, and I am now positive that I am getting gas. The only other thing that I can come up with is the timing being way off? If I remember correctly, after we pulled the distributor, we decided to change out all the lifters, so I am pretty certain that the engine was turned over several times between changing lifters and installing rods. Could the timing be why my car won't start???
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Could the timing be why my car won't start???


For sure, it will need to be set right.
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