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Bent Connecting Rod by smmilke
Started on: 01-04-2014 04:03 PM
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Report this Post01-04-2014 04:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smmilkeClick Here to Email smmilkeSend a Private Message to smmilkeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'm about to finish putting my motor together after a blown head gasket and I'm getting paranoid about bent connecting rods. I have the head of and have brought the pistons to TDC and compared how high they go, by eye and touch. I can't say I notice a difference between any of them. I would measure them with some kind of instrument, but that's where I run into some uncertainty. The clearances in the rod bearing and wrist pin probably add up to .001 - .002 and there is no guarantee that the total clearances are all that close between piston assemblies. It seems like a significant bend, less than ten degrees?, could produce a difference in height that is well under .002 in, since the rods are so long. In a nut shell- how much of a height difference in the pistons would suggest a bent rod rather than just variation in clearances?
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Report this Post01-04-2014 04:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for grkboy707Click Here to Email grkboy707Send a Private Message to grkboy707Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Is the motor in the car still? If not, it's a perfect opportunity to rebuild the engine!
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Report this Post01-04-2014 04:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smmilkeClick Here to Email smmilkeSend a Private Message to smmilkeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Still in the car, I just rebuilt the engine and put 70 miles on the car before the gasket blew out...
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Report this Post01-04-2014 04:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I think the tolerances on the crankshaft are not that good.
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Report this Post01-04-2014 06:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I'd be more worried about why the head gasket(s) failed so soon after the rebuild.
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Report this Post01-04-2014 06:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smmilkeClick Here to Email smmilkeSend a Private Message to smmilkeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I am concerned about why it failed so early. I couldn't find a definite answer but my best guess is I dented the gasket while trying to align the head on the guide pins and that weakened it. I can't find anything suggesting that the a new gasket will fail prematurely. Does anyone have experience with trying to measure the piston height? I would really hate the idea of just putting this thing together assuming the rod isn't bent.
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Report this Post01-04-2014 06:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonClick Here to Email rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Im pretty sure a bent rod, even moderately bent wouldnt really have a measurable amount as far as piston height. If you suspect any are bent, now is the time to pull them out and have them checked. Id want them perfect. Ive got some pretty nasty bent ones here, and they dont look that much, if any shorter than a good one. One is out of my boats 454 that swallowed a valve and stopped immediately when the valve head wedged between the head and piston at 5000 rpm.
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You would have to know what the piston height was before the failure for the measurment to be of any use at all. I can't see any reason you would be worried about a bent rod, why it (the head gasket) failed early should be what you are working on fixing, just put it back to gether and be happy. Larry

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Report this Post01-04-2014 07:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So uhh... what makes you think it bent a rod? Did the engine hydro-lock, or drop a valve, or something?
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Report this Post01-04-2014 07:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for lou_diasClick Here to Email lou_diasSend a Private Message to lou_diasEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
perhaps you didn't torque down the head properly...
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Report this Post01-04-2014 07:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Neils88Click Here to Email Neils88Send a Private Message to Neils88Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Unless you have a specific reason for suspecting a bent rod that you haven't mentioned, it is unlikely. Many things could contribute to a failed head gasket, and they usually are a result of incorrect installation if they fail shortly after installation. Check the new gasket carefully for imperfections, and make sure you torque it correctly, in the correct sequence.
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Report this Post01-04-2014 08:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for cmechmannClick Here to Email cmechmannSend a Private Message to cmechmannEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
What engine? where was it rebuilt?
It takes something pretty detrimental to happen to bend a rod. Pistons take the hit worse. Its hard to tell from the top unless you see piston damage. If you see piston damage your taking it apart anyway. You are better pulling off the oil pan and inspecting.
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Report this Post01-04-2014 08:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoClick Here to Email Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I bought a 3.4 about 2 years ago with 3 RODS So Bent, it was a joke. Was told it was a Low Mile rebuild. Better to "Check". at least put a straight edge over the block and measure the clearance compared to all the other cylinders. Water doesn't compress. Did you use NEW Bolts when you rebuilt ?
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Report this Post01-04-2014 08:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smmilkeClick Here to Email smmilkeSend a Private Message to smmilkeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I really don't have anything pointing to a bent rod, other than I heard a mysterious quiet popping or knocking noise after the gasket blew. There was hardly any coolant in the cylinder that blew so I don't expect it hydro locked. I'm just being cautious. I had used new bolts, head surface was freshly cut, block surface was in spec, double checked the torque on each bolt, etc. I guess I'm quadruple checking everything when I replace the head gasket this time.

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Report this Post01-05-2014 11:50 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonClick Here to Email rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Mine was very obvious with the head off. The piston was broke into 5 pieces and the valve was shoved 1/2 way in the top. Id guess yours is prob fine. Do you see any marks on the piston top or the head chamber, Are the valves seating straight ? Use a quality head gasket...dont cut corners.
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Originally posted by smmilke:

Still in the car, I just rebuilt the engine and put 70 miles on the car before the gasket blew out...


Something smells fishy here. You didn't say what engine you put in or what you consider a rebuild. If I rebuilt an engine and 70 miles later the head gasket fails, it seems like I did something wrong, Or the engine has issues and time to put a 3800 in it.
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If you really want help quit hiding the engine size. You were asked more than once what engine it was.
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Report this Post01-06-2014 02:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
it's a 2.5.

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Originally posted by Gall757:

it's a 2.5.



What year is his engine a 2.5? If it's an 84, he might just be better off getting a new motor anyway... one of the 85.5+ motors with the roller cam. They run a little bit less noisy... don't know if I would call it smoother... but less noisy. Heh.
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Report this Post01-06-2014 02:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
it's an 84, but keep in mind it is in Fairbanks, Alaska.

Here is an earlier thread.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/130838.html
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Report this Post01-06-2014 03:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph UpsonClick Here to Email Joseph UpsonSend a Private Message to Joseph UpsonEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Could have been hydrolock, I picked up a nice 87 base coup for $300 years ago with a fresh remanufactured engine that wasn't running. Turned out to be the CPS, once I got it started it was making a terrible clacking sound indicating the motor was bad. On disassembly I discovered the original intake that was used on the new motor was leaking internally and had leaked water into the cylinder eventually ruining the rod, piston and bore. It was doomed from the start since no one tried to figure out what caused the previous motor to fail.
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