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'80 Vin "1" Duke in '84. Big Problem? Or no brainer? by Str8lineJKing
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Hello all once again. I hope this is not a stupid question, as i have looked throughout the archives and other places in the interwebs with not much luck.

So here's the question. Well, more of the story first. My first car was a 1980 Chevrolet Citation with the Iron Duke. A couple years back the transmission went out. ( right after buying new tires - )
So, i parked it and just occasionally went out and started the old duke up. Well, two years or so later, i bought my first Fiero, an '84 pretty close to stock with a straight body. It had a blown head gasket, but since i knew i was familiar with the engine, i went ahead and bought the car for a really good deal. Did all the work myself and had it running two weeks after having it towed to my house from the P/O. So aside from a little oil smoke on start-up, it runs good and is a blast to drive with the 4-speed transmission. (performance for thought who wonder)

Ok, so now, i look out the window into the back yard and think, damn, i really need to get rid of the eye sore in the back yard. (The Citation) I have tried selling it but the fact of the matter is that with the rate that the local scrap yard is paying for whole cars right now, i would get more out of scrapping it. My problem with that, is,,,,,,,, i for some reason have a problem taking a vehicle that has a perfectly good running engine with less than 70k miles and new parts to the scrap yard.

I have been doing my fair share of research, but have not found a clear cut answer.

Will the engine from the Citation, VIN "1" swap into the "84 fiero, VIN "R" with no problems?

I am aware that i would need to swap the heads as the Citation does not have the "Swirl Port Design" and that i would need to swap the distributors and intake. But other than that, will the block just bolt right in? Are the distributor gears the same?

I hope i have not bored you with this and i hope you are still reading. But i only ask this question to know if i should pull the engine from the Citation and keep it as a "Back Up" in case something happens to the engine in the Fiero now.


I thank you for your attention and hope for your reply! Any input is greatly appreciated!


BTW - I am mechanically inclined and have a degree in Automotive Systems Technology. So dont hold back with your lingo or question my abilities. I am competent.

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Report this Post11-26-2013 12:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Str8lineJKingClick Here to Email Str8lineJKingSend a Private Message to Str8lineJKingEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I forgot to mention that this is the webpage i found but my problem is that there is no VIN "1" option next to a 1980 Chevrolet Citation
There is not even mention of a VIN 1 on the page.

Duke Compatibility

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Originally posted by Str8lineJKing:

I forgot to mention that this is the webpage i found but my problem is that there is no VIN "1" option next to a 1980 Chevrolet Citation
There is not even mention of a VIN 1 on the page and the car was actually assembled in April of 1979. So......... any answers?

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Report this Post11-26-2013 02:40 AM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
GM Does Not have VIN 1 engine listed for 1980

service.gm.com/dealerworld/...ds/pdf/vincard80.pdf
Only 2 for 2.5l... 5 and V

Later years VIN 1 is 3.8l V6

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Report this Post11-26-2013 06:28 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroguruSend a Private Message to fieroguruEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Looks like the VIN 1 designation was only used for a few models in 1979. As far as fitment in a Fiero, haven't any clue.

1979 Chevrolet Monza 2+2 Sport; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 9"
1979 Chevrolet Monza 2+2 Spyder; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 9"
1979 Chevrolet Monza 2+2; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 9"
1979 Chevrolet Monza Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 9"
1979 Chevrolet Monza S; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 9"
1979 Chevrolet Monza S; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979 Oldsmobile Starfire Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 1"
1979 Oldsmobile Starfire Firenza; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 1"
1979 Oldsmobile Starfire GT; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 1"
1979 Oldsmobile Starfire SX; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 1"
1979 Pontiac Sunbird Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 1"
1979 Pontiac Sunbird Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 9"
1979 Pontiac Sunbird Safari; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 1"
1979 Pontiac Sunbird Safari; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 9"
1979 Pontiac Sunbird Safari; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Chevrolet Monza 2+2 Sport; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Chevrolet Monza 2+2 Spyder; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Chevrolet Monza 2+2; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Chevrolet Monza Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Oldsmobile Starfire Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Oldsmobile Starfire Firenza; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Oldsmobile Starfire GT; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Oldsmobile Starfire SX; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1979-1980 Pontiac Sunbird Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1980 Chevrolet Monza Spyder; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN V"
1980-1981 Oldsmobile Omega SX; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1980-1982 Buick Skylark Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1980-1982 Buick Skylark Sport; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1980-1983 Buick Skylark Limited; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1980-1983 Pontiac Phoenix Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1980-1983 Pontiac Phoenix LJ; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1980-1981 Oldsmobile Omega Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1980-1981 Oldsmobile Omega Brougham; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1981 Oldsmobile Omega Sport; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1981-1983 Chevrolet Citation Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1981-1983 Chevrolet Citation X-11; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1981 1983 Oldsmobile Omega ES; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982 Chevrolet Celebrity CS; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982 Pontiac 6000 Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982 Pontiac 6000 LE; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982-1983 Buick Century Custom; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982-1983 Buick Century Limited; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982-1983 Chevrolet Celebrity Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982-1983 Chevrolet Celebrity CL; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982-1983 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982-1983 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera Brougham; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982-1983 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera LS; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1982-1983 Pontiac Firebird Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN F"
1982-1983 Pontiac Firebird S/E; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN F"
1983 Buick Skylark Custom; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1983 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera ES; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1983 Oldsmobile Omega ESC; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "VIN 5"
1983 Pontiac 6000 Base; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "FI, VIN 5"
1983 Pontiac 6000 LE; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "FI, VIN 5"
1984 Buick Century Custom; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "FI, VIN R"
1984 Buick Century Estate; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "FI, VIN R"
1984 Buick Century Limited; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "FI, VIN R"
1984 Buick Century Olympia Limited; 4 Cyl 2.5L; "FI, VIN R"

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see http://www.gafiero.org/docs/IronDukeBuild.pdf

VIN V, 1, 9 head won't work in Fiero. Maybe a short block is ok. Check to see if that takes Fiero WP... part WP mount to the block.

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Report this Post11-26-2013 04:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Str8lineJKingClick Here to Email Str8lineJKingSend a Private Message to Str8lineJKingEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thank you for the information. The car was manufactured in 1979 as an '80 model. The eighth digit on the vin number is "1" so im thinking that is why it is a vin 1. I knew that the heads were different so i would have to swap the heads. The water pump is mounted exactly like the fiero. So im thinking the short block will work. Also, the engine in the Citation is mated to the TH125 automatic. Does this cause any problems when putting it into a manual car, other than the obvious flywheel swap? And another unanswered question. Does any one know if the distributor gear on the crank is different throughout the years?
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Just my opinion, but I wouldn't give up the four speed in my 84 SE for an automatic. That would really lower the fun to drive factor.
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Originally posted by johnt671:

Just my opinion, but I wouldn't give up the four speed in my 84 SE for an automatic. That would really lower the fun to drive factor.


NO NO NO!!!! I would never go from manual to auto. im just talking about the Citation had an automatic transmission. the fiero is manual. I was asking if there were any problems with hooking the engine that use to be mated to an automatic and putting it in place of the fiero engine.

So only swapping the engine. keeping the transmission

Hope that clears things up.
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Bump.

Thinking about just going ahead and dropping the cradle of the citation. Boredom Strikes!
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