My sons 85 GT 1. with a stock ser1 3800sc/4t60 / 3.33 gears / smaller pully / through the stock GT muffler ran 14 flat. 2. with the ser ll 3800Sc / 4T65 / 3.29 gears / zzp ported lim and blower case and TB / SS headers / ZZP mild cam , he ran, on a hot after noon, 13.45 @ 98 mph ( it didn't up shift out of 2nd) Than on a 2nd run he backed off to call up 3rd gear and it went 13.46 @ 101.
4speeds are fast in the 1/4. Even a stock pulley car should run a 12 if you give it some lunch at the line.
now sir... I was being modest, surely you arent seriously telling me the 4spd that comes from a stock v6 fiero can hit the 12 second bracket... NOW I AM IN LUST...
If I can obtain ownership of this fiero, it will be all I'll ever need. <3
I'll be able to lay down the SPANK on most challengers without hesitation.
My thought though on this, is that the shifting is cable controlled. doesnt that mean shifting will be slow, and clunky compared to something that is direct... like say... a tko500? my friend in his "stock" 91 mustang would shift so fast, the front suspension wouldnt have enough time to drop in between the gears... and he ran a low 13 at the track...
I know if I were to shift the trans, without sparing it any grief, I would get the time you speak. but at the same time... I dont want to be ripping through transmissions...
My best run with the 4 speed manual was a 12.6. Was in 2002 so I don't remember mph and what not. 3.0" pulley, 1.9:1 rockers, self ported blower, throttle body and exhaust manifolds, 160 thermostat. Everything else stock.Stock PCM from bonneville, no programmers were available back then. Run was on 245/60r14 cooper cobras, 1.7 60'. 1200 rpm launch. 91 octane. Next trip to the track I scattered the differential all over the track, still have the two stripped spider gears. The other two were launched through the case and were picked up in pieces.
I went 12.6@108 with just a 3.4 pulley good intake and exhaust on the 4speed with all season tires. I broke 3 of the 4 speeds. Two were stripped gears in 3rd. Be careful.
I went 12.6@108 with just a 3.4 pulley good intake and exhaust on the 4speed with all season tires. I broke 3 of the 4 speeds. Two were stripped gears in 3rd. Be careful.
is it the slamming into the gear, or is it the dumping of the clutch pedal that does the stripping?
question: is the getrag without a doubt better? I'd rather have the gearing of the 4spd and not slam into gear and dump the clutch all the time, over the getrag's 5spd (if the getrag is stronger)
This thread is pointless, cause if you try to post a good time in the quarter (which is possible as stated before) you're going to be leaving your trans in pieces on the way down in short order. Doesn't matter if its the Muncie or Getrag, both will blow with the 3800 with clutch dumps and speed shifting soon enough.
This thread is pointless, cause if you try to post a good time in the quarter (which is possible as stated before) you're going to be leaving your trans in pieces on the way down in short order. Doesn't matter if its the Muncie or Getrag, both will blow with the 3800 with clutch dumps and speed shifting soon enough.
Which is why you should use the 4t65hd - you can beat it senseless and it keeps coming back for more.
------------------ 84 NB, 3800SC, E-85, VS Cam, 3.0 Pulley, 4T65E-HD, HP Tuners, AEM Wideband, Regal GS Gauges, S-10 Brake Booster. 1/4 mile -12.05 at 111.7mph
Originally posted by nitroheadz28: Doesn't matter if its the Muncie or Getrag, both will blow with the 3800 with clutch dumps and speed shifting soon enough.
THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO READ^^^^^^^^^^
I dont plan on beating it senseless if I get it, I know how to drive these old transmissions to preserve them for longevity. just ease into each gear and let the clutch out easily. AND THEN STOMP THE ACCELERATOR once its in gear.
I just want to be able to drop it down a gear for someone who thinks a girly stock looking 85 notchback is nothing but a 4banger, and run them until they feel hard pressed or impossible to catch me.
With any abuse any transmission will break. Guy I bought my old GTP from blew trans on light mods.
Its the age and abuse factor... you pay to play...
I want to run a turbo I know transmission will be next factor hate to lose the manual but I'll go which ever is recommended which tends to be auto.
But you aren't asking for 12's 11's or lower
------------------ 3800 SC/IC Formula whines more than your girl... 08 Cobalt SS TC - ZZP tuned, K&N SRI, 6k HID's 13.31@107 07 HHR - Wifes (tried to have her get the SS)