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3800 l32 spercharged double rollmaster questions by fierogtx
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I am looking to install the Rollmaster Double Timing chain set onto my L32 project. I am aware of the issue regarding clearance with the front cover. Some have said all that needs to be done is machine the oil pump plate .020" and remove the balncer shaft sprockets. do you just remove the balance shaft gear or you remove the sprocket directly behind the cam timing sprocket or the two gears ??? if you remove the sprocket behind the timing gear doen't that then make the chain angled because the crank sprocket is in the stock location? Also what keeps the cam timing sprocket from floating on the cam because of the excess area it can travel. And lastly, how does the engine run without the balancer shaft active? I know lots of people have figured this out, I'm just not one of them yet. Thanks
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Originally posted by fierogtx:

I am looking to install the Rollmaster Double Timing chain set onto my L32 project. I am aware of the issue regarding clearance with the front cover. Some have said all that needs to be done is machine the oil pump plate .020" and remove the balncer shaft sprockets. do you just remove the balance shaft gear or you remove the sprocket directly behind the cam timing sprocket or the two gears ??? if you remove the sprocket behind the timing gear doen't that then make the chain angled because the crank sprocket is in the stock location? Also what keeps the cam timing sprocket from floating on the cam because of the excess area it can travel. And lastly, how does the engine run without the balancer shaft active? I know lots of people have figured this out, I'm just not one of them yet. Thanks


ZZP offers the oil pump cover, or you can have it machined.. I completely removed my balance shaft.. but you have to plug a oil port in the rear of the block where the shaft was, you can drill and tap or I used a dodge 440 cam bearing and pressed it in to seal it off..

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Originally posted by fierogtx:

I am looking to install the Rollmaster Double Timing chain set onto my L32 project. I am aware of the issue regarding clearance with the front cover. Some have said all that needs to be done is machine the oil pump plate .020" and remove the balncer shaft sprockets. do you just remove the balance shaft gear or you remove the sprocket directly behind the cam timing sprocket or the two gears ??? if you remove the sprocket behind the timing gear doen't that then make the chain angled because the crank sprocket is in the stock location? Also what keeps the cam timing sprocket from floating on the cam because of the excess area it can travel. And lastly, how does the engine run without the balancer shaft active? I know lots of people have figured this out, I'm just not one of them yet. Thanks

the cam gear on the double is thicker, it doesnt walk around on the cam. i pulled my shaft out and did the cam bearing method it worked for me no issues and never had low oil pressure.

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do you remove the sprocket directly behind the cam timing sprocket or just the balance shaft gear or the two gears ??? if you remove the sprocket behind the timing gear doen't that then make the chain angled because the crank sprocket is in the stock location ????? thanks
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Report this Post08-25-2013 11:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jb1Click Here to Email jb1Send a Private Message to jb1Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Do you have the double roller yet? It has been awhile but best I can recall I can not see how you would be able to install the cam gear for the double roller with the gear in place..

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Report this Post08-25-2013 11:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for black88fieroClick Here to Email black88fieroSend a Private Message to black88fieroEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
you can leave the balance shaft in.. you have to remove the gear to put the double roller on it will not work otherwise. Do you have the set yet? when you get it and start to install youll see
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Do you have the double roller yet? It has been awhile but best I can recall I can not see how you would be able to install the cam gear for the double roller with the gear in place..



yes i have it but not install just preparing myself to make sure before remove front cover and insalling the rollmaster ( i speek french and i have difficulties to understand abou that ) i have many mechanical experience but modifying parts is not my speciality thanks for your help

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you can leave the balance shaft in.. you have to remove the gear to put the double roller on it will not work otherwise. Do you have the set yet? when you get it and start to install youll see


i just want preparing myself before the project and i speek french and sometimes its hard to understand that
if i called the balance shaft gear is the balance shaft gear and the gears behind camshaft sprocket is the balance shaft gear drive ok ???
i know that i need to remove the balance shaft gear and i know that i can leave the balance shaft in the block or remove it by plugging the oil hole but do i need to remove the balance shaft gear drive ???? ( the gear behind the sprocket ) ???????
thanks a lot for your help


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Report this Post08-27-2013 01:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BMFBClick Here to Email BMFBSend a Private Message to BMFBEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
double paper gasket is the proper way to solve this issue.
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Two of the paper timing cover gaskets from zzp is all you need for clearance for a rollmaster double chain.

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