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Do you recognize this brake upgrade? by dwheeler
Started on: 08-18-2013 08:48 PM
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Report this Post08-18-2013 08:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dwheelerSend a Private Message to dwheelerEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
This is on my Lambo project Fiero chasis. I was going to order a brake seal kit but these aren't the stock brakes. Does anyone recognize what brakes these are? The pads are the same front and back. the front piston is 45 mm. the rotor is 265mm (10 3/8"). Markings inside the rotor are " BH BR 55024 BR 55535 min 7.3mm WPT - 19 - 1".

The good news is that it looks like new rotors will likely be cheaper than resurfacing these.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Rear


Front


Another view of the front

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Report this Post08-18-2013 08:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MstangsBwareClick Here to Email MstangsBwareSend a Private Message to MstangsBwareEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Look like stock 88 calipers to me..
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Report this Post08-18-2013 09:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TONY_CSend a Private Message to TONY_CEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
88 calipers
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Report this Post08-18-2013 10:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroguruSend a Private Message to fieroguruEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
That is the stock 88 Fiero brake system. The piston bores should be 48mm front and rear.
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Those rotors are not stock 88 though right. See they are vented.
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Report this Post08-18-2013 10:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KhwClick Here to Email KhwSend a Private Message to KhwEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
If I remember correctly 88 rotors were vented.

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Originally posted by donnie072003:

Those rotors are not stock 88 though right. See they are vented.


Part of what makes the '88 brakes so much better than the '84-'87 brakes is that the rotors are vented. The brakes in the picture are bone stock '88 brakes.
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Report this Post08-19-2013 08:05 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TONY_CSend a Private Message to TONY_CEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
That is an 88 rear suspension in the pic as well.
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Report this Post08-19-2013 01:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dwheelerSend a Private Message to dwheelerEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
A big THANKS to everyone! It looks like I may have bought an 88 instead of an 86. Well, at least 1/2 of one.
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Originally posted by dwheeler:

A big THANKS to everyone! It looks like I may have bought an 88 instead of an 86. Well, at least 1/2 of one.


Look at the front rotors? Are they vented? If the shock goes thru the coil spring it is an 88 Front end. Also, 88's had a sealed hub bearing similar to the rear hub bearing whereas 87 and down used replaceable bearings on a spindle.
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Report this Post08-19-2013 02:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Could be an 88 cradle swap on a 86 frame.....but I don't think I would like to run 86 front brakes with 88 rears.
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Report this Post08-19-2013 03:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TONY_CSend a Private Message to TONY_CEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I didn't notice you posted front brake pics too. Looks like your 86 is really an 88 unless the PO adapted the 88 front brakes to an earlier Fiero. It can be done, I have 88 brakes all around on my 84, the rears are on the 88 cradle and the fronts are wrapped around 85 Vette 12" rotors. The 88 front calipers are bolted to the earlier spindles with a machined aluminum bracket.
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Originally posted by TONY_C:


Look at the front rotors? Are they vented? If the shock goes thru the coil spring it is an 88 Front end. Also, 88's had a sealed hub bearing similar to the rear hub bearing whereas 87 and down used replaceable bearings on a spindle.


Yes, all 4 rotors are vented and the same size. The shock does go through the coil spring. I don't have shocks, but they would go there. And the hub seems to include the bearings. I assumed these were pressed in bearings like most front wheel drive cars.

Is there a VIN decoder? That would be useful. Is there a model newer than 88? Sorry, I'm not really up to speed on the Fiero. This is all that I have of it.


But it's going to get power from a BMW v12


a Porsche 996 transaxle


and a fiberglass Countach body
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Report this Post08-19-2013 07:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroguruSend a Private Message to fieroguruEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
That's an 88 chassis, it was the last year of production.
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Report this Post08-19-2013 07:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You may take an interest in this thread....

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/092051.html
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Report this Post08-19-2013 08:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TONY_CSend a Private Message to TONY_CEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Don't you have the title to the chassis? What year is on the title? Does the VIN match the car VIN? It IS possible the front end was swapped also but thet's WAY more work than swapping the rear cradle. It's not a bolt on swap. If you have a pic of the strut towers from the top of the car you can tell for sure if it's an 88 or not.

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You definitely have 1988 brakes and suspension, front and rear. The chassis appears to have been heavily modified, so it may be hard to tell. If the VIN plate is still on it, you can get the model year from the VIN number.
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Report this Post08-19-2013 09:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TONY_CSend a Private Message to TONY_CEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
in the last pic above you can see the strut tower, it appears to be an 88 tower. I've never seen anyone swap towers so it's 99.99% a 1988 chassis.
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Originally posted by TONY_C:

in the last pic above you can see the strut tower, it appears to be an 88 tower. I've never seen anyone swap towers so it's 99.99% a 1988 chassis.


I think fieroguru has

(Obviously it is an 88 but just saying)

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I think fieroguru has


I haven't swapped strut towers. All my personal cars start as 88's.
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Originally posted by fieroguru:


I haven't swapped strut towers. All my personal cars start as 88's.


Oh, I thought you had a formula clone you swapped strut towers on for some reason, my bad.
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Oh, I thought you had a formula clone you swapped strut towers on for some reason, my bad.


I relocated the tops of the struts 1" further inboard, but it still has 88 strut towers.
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Report this Post08-20-2013 02:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for zkhenningsSend a Private Message to zkhenningsEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Gotcha,

also that Countach body looks really nice
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If it's an 88 (which it almost has to be looking at the brakes and suspension) the 10th character in the VIN would be a J. You can still see the VIN tag on the frame in front of the steering wheel in the pic above.
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My bad. I have no title, but I checked the bill of sale and it does have 1988. My old brain is playing tricks on me.

I did like that v12 project link, but a 13" stretch? I wonder what the body will end up resembling.

I don't have a build site or thread that I maintain, but it looks like you guys enjoy project pics so I'll try to post some periodically.

Thanks for the help. I'm sure I'll need more.
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Originally posted by dwheeler:

My bad. I have no title, but I checked the bill of sale and it does have 1988. My old brain is playing tricks on me.

I did like that v12 project link, but a 13" stretch? I wonder what the body will end up resembling.

I don't have a build site or thread that I maintain, but it looks like you guys enjoy project pics so I'll try to post some periodically.

Thanks for the help. I'm sure I'll need more.


This place LOVES project pics... please do!
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Originally posted by dwheeler:



uhm, so whens someone gona make this kit?



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Report this Post10-02-2013 07:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dwheelerSend a Private Message to dwheelerEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
This is what the front brakes look like now. With new poly bushings.

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Originally posted by hookdonspeed:

uhm, so whens someone gona make this kit?




Guy is building one just like that use to post on Lamboclone , he also has 2 lp640 replicas ..His name is Batbuilder he has a build thread that has a few pics of his rides... The rumbler he has is sweet , he should still have pics of them up.

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