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Phantom wipe has returned.... WTH? by NetCam
Started on: 06-29-2013 06:59 PM
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Last post by: NetCam on 05-10-2014 05:44 PM
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Report this Post06-29-2013 06:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
When I bought my car I had a bad case of the phantom wipes, when I started the car, when I hit bumps, when I used the turn signals.
I got the Rodney Dickman kit for the wiper board, and that took care of the wipe when I started the car, but that was it. I then got the turn signal stalk, only because that sounded like an easy possible fix, but of course that did nothing. I finally broke down a bought a brand new switch (the '88 version because I've heard they're better) and it looked like my 'phantom wipe' was a thing of the past. Here I am less than a year later, and now I'm getting a wipe when I hit my signals again!

Any ideas how this could possibly be?


Edit: The car is an '85 GT with tilt and no cruise.

[This message has been edited by NetCam (edited 06-29-2013).]

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Report this Post06-30-2013 09:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1fast2m4Send a Private Message to 1fast2m4Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Do you use the wipers a lot, I have found that on a lot of older GM's that don't get driven in the rain something funky happens in the switch. and they seem to get MUCH better with use. With the Ignition off just work the wiper switch through the motions for a minuet or two. Off, On, Off, On, High, Low, High, Low & move it through the delay portion. It will either be much better or much worse, either way you would know it's the switch. but I guess if there was no change you haven't lost but a Min. or to of your life.

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Report this Post06-30-2013 09:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I rarely use the wipers because I generally only drive the car when the weather is nice. I'll give that a try and see what happens. Thanks!
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Report this Post06-30-2013 11:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula OwnerSend a Private Message to Formula OwnerEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I would suspect the power diodes on the control board. I had this problem, and traced it down to these diodes. I found replacements at Radio Shack, but I can't find that info now. And... I had to mix & match them. As I recall, there are two on the control board. I tried a random two diodes from the pack of four I bought. Still had the phantom wipe. I did a little circuit analysis, and found that these diodes need to have a very low reverse leakage current. Fortunately, at the time I had access to some equipment at work that could measure the diodes. Two of them had low reverse leakage current, two did not. I put the two good ones in, and it's been working find ever since. I'll look to see if I can find my info on that repair.
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Report this Post07-01-2013 12:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Electronics is far from my strong suit, so if you are able to find any other information from your fix, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Report this Post07-15-2013 08:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Sat in the car on the weekend while at a cruise night waiting to pull out and played with the control for a couple of minutes. So far I haven't had a return of the phantom wipe, so maybe every now and then I should repeat the process to keep the switch 'fresh'.
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Report this Post07-15-2013 09:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for cmechmannClick Here to Email cmechmannSend a Private Message to cmechmannEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Does you car have tilt?
Without going into the control board, anything that can make ground contact can cause a phantom wipe.
Inside the wiper motor is a set of contacts like a relay. It only takes a momentary short to move the motor to where they close. Once they close, the motor will complete a cycle unless you kill key power.
Lets say you have a set of wires connected to the battery. One pos. to the motor, one neg. to the motor(always connected through the contacts) and one in your hand(connected to the motor directly). Just touch(not held) the one in your hand to the neg. post on the battery or any grounded metal and the motor makes a cycle.
Crud in the switch or a bare wire, both will cause this. Sloppy tilt will cause fine small metal particles to collect in the collum and collect in the switches. If the tilt is used a lot or if it is sloppy the wires inside the collum can get worn also.

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Report this Post07-16-2013 04:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hetterbrClick Here to Email hetterbrSend a Private Message to hetterbrEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I had the phantom wiper issue and replaced the 'Wiper Delay circuit board'. I got one from the Fiero Store for about $30 and it took only 5 minutes to install. That fixed my issue.

There was a part that someone here on the forum was selling as a 'fix' to this problem, I bought it hoping it would be the answer, but it never helped my wiper issue.

Part # 53119U is the item at the Fiero Store
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Report this Post07-17-2013 08:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The car does have tilt, which i use all the time. I find it way too tight getting in without tilting the wheel up, and feel lime I'm driving a teeny tiny bus if i don't pull it back down. Maybe over the winter I'll take the shroud back off from under the steering column and give all the wires a good look. I guess the other option would be to put in a cutoff switch on the power to the wipers, but i was hoping it wouldn't come to that or I wouldn't have dumped about $70 and two hours work into replacing the switch
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Report this Post07-17-2013 02:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dematrix86gtClick Here to Email dematrix86gtSend a Private Message to dematrix86gtEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Ive had this problem with other cars. What ive found is that when not using the switch for long peroids of time leads to corrosion almost like carbon tracking in a distributor cap, but on the switch itsself. this can cause elect to conduct across that path. Using the wipers more often will solve that problem like they said but the fix is to use electrical wash , clean the switch and reapply dielectric grease to the contacts. Electricity can do some really odd things. weirdest thing ive seen is all Vac lines on a 95 Blazer glowing . shorted out plugwires somehow reacted to something in those Vac lines and caused a glow up them when that wire fired. You all prob know what Vac lines im talking about, the ones that turn to Black dust/powder after a few years .
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Report this Post05-10-2014 10:00 AM Click Here to See the Profile for hdryderClick Here to Email hdryderSend a Private Message to hdryderEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Formula Owner:

I would suspect the power diodes on the control board.


Where is the 'control board' located? Is it the same as what is described above as the 'Wiper Delay circuit board'?

Thanks for the help.

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Report this Post05-10-2014 05:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NetCamClick Here to visit NetCam's HomePageSend a Private Message to NetCamEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The board is located on the driver's side firewall just below the wiper blade. Couple of bolts to remove the cover and the board pops right out.
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