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Hey rear coil over owners what spring rate are you using? by solotwo
Started on: 05-14-2013 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Boostdreamer:


Do the springs ever need to be any stronger that the bare minimum to keep the suspension from bottoming out? I understand that the less travel you have, the stiffer the springs would have to be. So that brings my next question, why would you want to reduce suspension travel by using the short coil-over springs such as the 7 inch ones? If the whole sleeve is threaded, couldn't you use the longer springs set lower on the sleeve and still have the same ride height and also have more suspension travel?

How much sag should the springs have? 1/4 to 1/3 the total travel? If you have a 7 inch spring, you've already lost 1.75 to 2.30 inches of available travel. You will need a REALLY stiff spring to keep from bottoming out on normal pot holes and such.


The spring rate needs be enough to keep the suspension in a good range of motion (to control camber, toe, etc), and keep the bodywork off the road. The softest rate that achieves those requirements is generally the best rate to run.

I typically choose spring length based on what puts the coilover perch at the point where the spring is just barely compressed at full droop, so that I can avoid using a helper spring if I don't have to.

A good rule of thumb is 2 inches of compression and 2 inches of rebound travel, minimum.

A nice progressive bump stop is also a good idea.

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Originally posted by Steven Snyder:

The softest rate that achieves those requirements is generally the best rate to run.



EXACTLY!!!!

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Originally posted by Boostdreamer:

How much sag should the springs have? 1/4 to 1/3 the total travel? If you have a 7 inch spring, you've already lost 1.75 to 2.30 inches of available travel. You will need a REALLY stiff spring to keep from bottoming out on normal pot holes and such.

This is one of the reasons I went with 10" springs on my rear suspension. Yeah, I had to cut off the stock spring perches. But IMO it was worth it to avoid coil bind on a hard bump.
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Originally posted by Blacktree:

This is one of the reasons I went with 10" springs on my rear suspension.
Yeah, I had to cut off the stock spring perches. But IMO it was worth it to avoid coil bind on a hard bump.


Agreed. The question should be "what LENGTH of spring AND what rate are you running?"

The length of spring, number of coils etc. ALL count toward the "ride and feel".

I can see guys running 8" springs needing a 350# rate to keep from bottoming out.
But I expect that a short 8" 350# spring would feel very different than a 12" 350# spring.

I installed the Arrault coil-over kit - LONG springs with 275# rate (stock was about 250# I'm told).
Handles and drives well without jarring the teeth out of your head.

Site: http://arrautmotorsports.co...pension-information/



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Originally posted by fierosound: Agreed. The question should be "what LENGTH of spring AND what rate are you running?"

I'm pretty sure I posted the rate earlier, but it's 350 lb/in... on a 10" spring. Both the previous '87 rear and new '88 rear suspensions are using the same KYB struts. But the '87 rear suspension had Eibach springs. IMO, the '88 rear suspension with the coilovers feels more civilized than the previous '87 rear suspension, even though the coilover springs are probably stiffer than the Eibach springs.
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