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3800sc oil pump cover thinkness by fieroaddicted
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I need to get a machined oil pump cover fro my 3800 s/c engine since i am running a rollmaster double timing set. I was thinking that i could just have my oil pump cover machined rather than ordering one if i knew the thickness it was supposed to be. Does anyone have any idea how much needs to be taken off the cover for it to work?
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Not sure on the thickness but I would recommend you also run dual timing chain cover gaskets as well to be safe. Dan
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Originally posted by FIEROFLYER:

Not sure on the thickness but I would recommend you also run dual timing chain cover gaskets as well to be safe. Dan


I have heard this is a good idea. I have one felpro metal one right now. Do i need another metal one, or would it be ok to mix one metal one with a paper one?

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if someone has a machined oil pump cover they can measure with a set of calipers, I would really appreciate it.
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bump for info. Has anyone ever measured their machined oil pump cover out of curiousity??
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Its not so much the cover that is the problem.. the bolts have a limit on how much they can be taken down, so just take off as much as you/your machineist can.
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Its not so much the cover that is the problem.. the bolts have a limit on how much they can be taken down, so just take off as much as you/your machineist can.


ahh i see. I will have a look at that and see what can be done with them. If i am understanding this correctly, I can basically machine it down almost to the point of where the taper on the head of the bolts bottoms out on the threads in the case.(if that makes sense to you)
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You need to use 2 paper gaskets. As far as I could find only zzp sells those. If someone knows otherwise I would like to know. Maybe they are for an earlier engine??

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You need to use 2 paper gaskets. As far as I could find only zzp sells those. If someone knows otherwise I would like to know. Maybe they are for an earlier engine??



Are the metal ones just too thin to use doubled up?


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Originally posted by fieroaddicted:


Are the metal ones just too thin to use doubled up?



I think so as this is what Mstangsbware is currently re-doing on my build, due to an oil leak.
The original installer kept the tensioner and didn't change the gasket, much less use the two paper ones I provided them along with printed INSTRUCTIONs and pictures of what to do.


Mustangs and I couldn't find the paper gaskets anywhere at the local auto parts store as they only sold the felpro set which is metal.
However, I did some research and I think the Victor Reinz gasket set @ Rock Auto is paper. At least, that is what the description says.
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The original installer kept the tensioner and didn't change the gasket, much less use the two paper ones I provided them along with printed INSTRUCTIONs and pictures of what to do.

geez that sucks. You are running the rollmaster double chain set same as i am? And he left the tensioner on? Crap! didn't harm anything did it? I ended up having to get a victor head gasket for the right side of my engine, and also had to get a victor intake set in order to get the right end seals i needed for the lower intake. I was thinking that GM must have a paper gasket, cuz my original gasket that i removed when tearing down the engine, was paper. I have not tried them yet though to see what they offer...and judging by the responses on here, it sounds like they are probably metal as well. I'll check with them tomorrow. If not, I will have to get my parts guy to make a call to see if the victor ones are indeed paper. I'll have him check and i will gladly let you know what he says if it helps you out.
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Originally posted by fieroaddicted:

geez that sucks. You are running the rollmaster double chain set same as i am? And he left the tensioner on? Crap! didn't harm anything did it?
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Yes, I have a double roller. The tensioner clearly doesn't fit but from what I can tell nothing broke.
Besides a major oil leak and some major headaches I am wondering what next.
The Good news is Mstangsbware is fixing the mistakes and I only put a few miles on the car.
My fingers are crossed that there are NO more major pluck ups but I have a really bad feeling that I just haven't found all of them yet.
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nosrac, in case you don't already know for sure, it does appear that the Victor gaskets are paper for the cover. I called my parts guy and he said they list a timing set for the engine and it was around $20. Also, he mentioned there were 3 different sets, so you have to be careful to get the right one. He was going to just go ahead and order them if they were paper, otherwise he was going to call me right back. I have not heard from him all morning, so i am guessing they are indeed paper. It will probably come with a couple other gaskets, but i got him to order 2 of the sets.
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Originally posted by fieroaddicted:

nosrac, in case you don't already know for sure, it does appear that the Victor gaskets are paper for the cover. I called my parts guy and he said they list a timing set for the engine and it was around $20. Also, he mentioned there were 3 different sets, so you have to be careful to get the right one. He was going to just go ahead and order them if they were paper, otherwise he was going to call me right back. I have not heard from him all morning, so i am guessing they are indeed paper. It will probably come with a couple other gaskets, but i got him to order 2 of the sets.
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Thx, I guess the Rock Auto description was right on.
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Thx, I guess the Rock Auto description was right on.

Yup, no problem
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Originally posted by fieroaddicted:

if someone has a machined oil pump cover they can measure with a set of calipers, I would really appreciate it.
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stock oil pump cover thickness 0.155 inch
zzp oil machined pump cover thickness approx 0.133 inch 0.134 inch
they remove .020-.022 inch
i know im late but i receive my zzp machined pump cover today and for anyone in the future will be searching that info he will find it

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you dont need to use two gaskets for the front cover zzp now offer a gasket much thicker for the double rollmaster
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When it comes to "Paper" or cork gaskets, it's easy to make your own if you have some "woodworking tools" (sharp round hole punches) to just make the Holes. used to make the 2.8 intake gaskets(where you had to buy the whole set to get them) once you have a pattern, it just takes 10 min to make a few for $2-3
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