Yes I want and will at some point NEED 255lph, no I will never use e85, no I don't want deatschwerks because I don't want to pay the price for my mechanic to alter the stock gm fuel pump seat, yes I know the walbro is noisy.
Thank you to any who can answer.
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I know there was some issues here in the semi-recent past about non-US 255's out there for sale. I spoke w/ Sinister Fiero about it and he recommended this place here as a safe bet for getting a "true US Walbro 255"
Yes I want and will at some point NEED 255lph, no I will never use e85, no I don't want deatschwerks because I don't want to pay the price for my mechanic to alter the stock gm fuel pump seat, yes I know the walbro is noisy.
Thank you to any who can answer.
The Walbro is noisy but it is also very sensitive to low fuel levels and has had reliability issues. . Just about every swap can be handled by the AC/Delco EP381 or Bosch 60225 pumps. Those pumps are used on GM 7.4L (454 C.I.) engines ,run quiet and are reliable. I had a genuine Walbo on my 3800SC and after an hour driving with it, that high pirched whine got so annoying that I went back to my garage and took it out. If you are dead set on the Walbro, this is how it sounds.
I think they sound like garbage.
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Powerlog manifold, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Flotech Afterburner Exhaust, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
I am with Dennis on this one. I had the Walbro in mine and the whine was so loud that it was very annoying, and sort of embarrassing as well. I prided myself in having a Fiero that looked good, rode good, but that god-awful fuel pump was a downfall. I dropped the tank, and went the same route as Dennis.
BTW, there was no mod required for the pump I used. It was a drop in fit. The connector was different, but an adapter came with the pump.
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When you guys did the install of the pump, did they include new bushings for the pump to be mounted on, ( lower attachment point )?
Mine sounds NOWHERE near that loud at all. You can tell its on, there's a slight whine, but not even close to a point where I'd think of going though the hassle of pulling it back out.
There's got to be more going on w/ that video. That I'd agree is more than enough reason to pull it and chuck it if it sounded even 1/4 that bad...
Mine was installed by the previous owner. As I recall, (it's been at least three+ years since swapping) there was some rubber isolator on it when I pulled it. Mine was not as loud as the video that Dennis posted, but it was very noticeable while idling.
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Originally posted by mcaanda:
When you guys did the install of the pump, did they include new bushings for the pump to be mounted on, ( lower attachment point )?
Mine sounds NOWHERE near that loud at all. You can tell its on, there's a slight whine, but not even close to a point where I'd think of going though the hassle of pulling it back out.
There's got to be more going on w/ that video. That I'd agree is more than enough reason to pull it and chuck it if it sounded even 1/4 that bad...
Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua: The Walbro is noisy but it is also very sensitive to low fuel levels and has had reliability issues. .
I agree and emphasize that. It is very noisy for no good reason. The Walbro in my tank took a time-out on me at the gas pump half way between GA and FL, a Sheriff Deputy helped me push the car into a parking space where I spliced in my external Walbro pump (Doh!) after which the in tank Walbro pump had cooled down and started working again. If your tank level drops down to about 1/8, you're asking for trouble with an in tank Walbro and it can happen easily with a fluctuating fuel level sender. I'll be replacing it soon with a pump from the GM 8100 V8 tank assembly left over from a propane conversion, it's a little larger in diameter than the stock pump and should be more than sufficient.
Thanks for all the responses! I need to know just in case there is a fitment issue with the fuel pump coming with my injectors. Got a low mileage set of 42.5 injectors with an aftermarket pump off clubgp. Owner wasn't sure what kind it was as the previous owner had it installed when the head/cam work was done on his engine.
I am with Dennis on this one. I had the Walbro in mine and the whine was so loud that it was very annoying, and sort of embarrassing as well. I prided myself in having a Fiero that looked good, rode good, but that god-awful fuel pump was a downfall. I dropped the tank, and went the same route as Dennis.
BTW, there was no mod required for the pump I used. It was a drop in fit. The connector was different, but an adapter came with the pump.
Long term I'm going to put dynomat around the entire tank area. No biggie.
Also, if a person is retarded enough to let their gas go below half tank for any reasonable period of time it's their own damn fault when their pump runs like **** or dies. That goes for almost any fuel pump, in tank.
Also, if a person is retarded enough to let their gas go below half tank for any reasonable period of time it's their own damn fault when their pump runs like **** or dies. That goes for almost any fuel pump, in tank.
nope.
If you can't pay your installer 5 extra minutes to modify sending unit then maybe you should do it yourself.
If you can't pay your installer 5 extra minutes to modify sending unit then maybe you should do it yourself.
That *five minutes* you're talking about will come out to an hour of book time for a custom modification on a car part. I would do it myself if my right arm wasn't partially paralyzed. Prior to becoming 100% department of veterans affairs disabled serving in the Army I DID do my own mechanic work, right down to the bare block.
Also, if a person is retarded enough to let their gas go below half tank for any reasonable period of time it's their own damn fault when their pump runs like **** or dies. That goes for almost any fuel pump, in tank.
I've been driving a fuel injected car for over 25 yrs with the same tank refill habits and the only pump I've had a problem with is the Walbro. I see no relevance to the effect of hurting pump dependability by running below half a tank or there would be cars stalled all over the U.S. as a result, starving it yes. I believe there's enough posted here to suggest the pump is not as impressive as you're thinking. Try some other forums for more feedback, Buick GN is a good one, I believe that's where some one posted that this pump is unforgiving and also that it doesn't do well if it sits in fuel unused for a while.
This pump is probably best suited for race only applications and just isn't up to par for the rigors of a daily driver. A noisy pump in my opinion is about like an engine that vibrates due to a small imbalance.
I've been driving a fuel injected car for over 25 yrs with the same tank refill habits and the only pump I've had a problem with is the Walbro. I see no relevance to the effect of hurting pump dependability by running below half a tank or there would be cars stalled all over the U.S. as a result, starving it yes. I believe there's enough posted here to suggest the pump is not as impressive as you're thinking. Try some other forums for more feedback, Buick GN is a good one, I believe that's where some one posted that this pump is unforgiving and also that it doesn't do well if it sits in fuel unused for a while.
This pump is probably best suited for race only applications and just isn't up to par for the rigors of a daily driver. A noisy pump in my opinion is about like an engine that vibrates due to a small imbalance.
I once had a relative who worked for the Virginia State Police. They were instructed not to let the tank below half because during hard driving with fast turns they could risk prematurely starving the pump of lubricant. I'll take their word for it.
Sounds like an old wives tell... I'd hate to think that modern factory installed fuel pumps are that sensitive to fuel levels. Aftermarket - maybe, although I have to say that I never had that problem with my old Walbro pump. It was in the car for about 5 years before I tiered of hearing it whine and changed it out... and I often filled up between 1/4th - 1/8th of a tank, and never had the pump stop working. It was just noisy as heck.
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Originally posted by jasonfox:
I once had a relative who worked for the Virginia State Police. They were instructed not to let the tank below half because during hard driving with fast turns they could risk prematurely starving the pump of lubricant. I'll take their word for it.
To ruduce pump noise,add a few pads to the top and sides of the fuel tank,this wil prevent sound from traveling through the chassie to the interior (I used,scrap dash cover pieces.If you dont have one nows the time to buy one and use the scraps for the tank)
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Originally posted by jasonfox: I once had a relative who worked for the Virginia State Police. They were instructed not to let the tank below half because during hard driving with fast turns they could risk prematurely starving the pump of lubricant. I'll take their word for it.
Makes perfectly good sense in what is certainly a severe duty application, but in a Fiero you'd be on your way to jail not long after attempting to subject the pump to that kind of abuse on the street. Modern cars have a modular design specifically for that reason. The assembly my 8100 V8 pump came with has a trap door that lets fuel in but not out making it near impossible to starve the pump except for running the tank empty, even the return fuel drops back into the enclosure. I didn't find out about the Walbro pump noise, or the complaints until after I purchased it. If your hearing isn't all that great you two will get along fine, otherwise I think you should look at alternatives as I haven't found a song on my radio yet that mixes well with the Walbro whine.
Jasonfox....U keep up with all the BS replies with those trying to help u out then before long u will not be getting any help at all. Unsure why u think u can reply in the manner u do but I must say it is not going to get u anywhere.
Also all ur questuons have been answered over and over so if u dont wanna here opinions then use the search function. Just my opinion on ur attitude torward others in the Threads u have started.
Jasonfox....U keep up with all the BS replies with those trying to help u out then before long u will not be getting any help at all. Unsure why u think u can reply in the manner u do but I must say it is not going to get u anywhere.
Also all ur questuons have been answered over and over so if u dont wanna here opinions then use the search function. Just my opinion on ur attitude torward others in the Threads u have started.
Pointing out stupidity isn't a "bs" reply, sarcasm is my free speech right, and I did plenty of searching fanboi. My original question was for the part number. I've yet to see that answered even after I searched for a solid hour.
[This message has been edited by jasonfox (edited 11-25-2012).]
I know there was some issues here in the semi-recent past about non-US 255's out there for sale. I spoke w/ Sinister Fiero about it and he recommended this place here as a safe bet for getting a "true US Walbro 255"
I have it installed in our 88GT with no issues. Again, stock motor, no 3800, but works well. I kinda like the whine, lets me know its on.
--Allen
Thank you for this reply, and for exhibiting the basic intellectual ability to read that has gone so long forgotten by some members of our society. Kudos on the cat avatar also.
Originally posted by jasonfox: Thank you for this reply, and for exhibiting the basic intellectual ability to read that has gone so long forgotten by some members of our society. Kudos on the cat avatar also.
There, scroll down to Fiero, would have posted it from the start but had trouble remembering the name of the company I purchased mine from. I read quite well, just thought you might like to know things about this part many feel important to know before investing in it. Good luck.
Pointing out stupidity isn't a "bs" reply, sarcasm is my free speech right, and I did plenty of searching fanboi. My original question was for the part number. I've yet to see that answered even after I searched for a solid hour.
Not to get into the argument but MustangsBware is making a valid point. Calling people names even if you believe them to be negligent or wrong is a sure way to get booted off of this forum. This forum is self moderating. Look at the ratings bar below all long term members names. It shows favorability positives and negatives. Those ratings are given by other forum members in the way of votes. You are currently a probationary member. Too many negative votes and you are banned. These are not my rules but the rules of Cliff Pennock, the owner of this forum. Most of the guys who replied have been on this forum a long time because they have been helpful and share in the open exchange of ideas and opinions. At times members are right and other times they are wrong but so what? You are an intelligent individual and as such you have every right to disagree and make up your own mind. Read the replies on the fuel pump and decide for yourself.
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Powerlog manifold, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Flotech Afterburner Exhaust, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
Not to get into the argument but MustangsBware is making a valid point. Calling people names even if you believe them to be negligent or wrong is a sure way to get booted off of this forum. This forum is self moderating. Look at the ratings bar below all long term members names. It shows favorability positives and negatives. Those ratings are given by other forum members in the way of votes. You are currently a probationary member. Too many negative votes and you are banned. These are not my rules but the rules of Cliff Pennock, the owner of this forum. Most of the guys who replied have been on this forum a long time because they have been helpful and share in the open exchange of ideas and opinions. At times members are right and other times they are wrong but so what? You are an intelligent individual and as such you have every right to disagree and make up your own mind. Read the replies on the fuel pump and decide for yourself.
If there was an argument to get into, but there's not.
I had two friends growing up, and we all three wanted to serve the American people when we grew up. One spilled his blood flying a helicopter in 2010 and we buried him, I walked away from my time in permanently disabled, and the other one is walking around in that hell hole right now attached to 18 series and I don't know if he's going to make it back.
I think mandatory service in the military would really help people man the **** up.
If me expressing my opinion and pointing out stupidity where I see it, after two years of reading a persons posts, offends anyone I offer them this simple advice.
Get the **** over it. Keep me, ban me, I don't care. No one will ever tell me how to live my life or what I can or cannot say. I have freedom, and I paid for mine at a terrible price.
When you guys did the install of the pump, did they include new bushings for the pump to be mounted on, ( lower attachment point )?
Mine sounds NOWHERE near that loud at all. You can tell its on, there's a slight whine, but not even close to a point where I'd think of going though the hassle of pulling it back out.
There's got to be more going on w/ that video. That I'd agree is more than enough reason to pull it and chuck it if it sounded even 1/4 that bad...
Originally posted by jasonfox: I would do it myself if my right arm wasn't partially paralyzed. Prior to becoming 100% department of veterans affairs disabled serving in the Army I DID do my own mechanic work, right down to the bare block.
Not trying to steal your thread or anything, but what all needs to be done to make the deatschwerks pump work? That's the one I was going to use, is it just cutting the sending unit so that it fits, make the harness, then securing it somehow (zip ties?), or is it more involved?
Now I haven't verified it, but that is the pump that is suppose to be in my 88. Whodeanies said they installed it... so its probably stock. Anyway, I can only hear it slightly when the ign is on, with the engine NOT running.
Also, ZZP sells them..
Jason, careful pointing out your career history and disability. There are dirtbags on here that will claim you are wanting their pity.
USA VFW here.
[This message has been edited by BV MotorSports (edited 11-26-2012).]
I know there was some issues here in the semi-recent past about non-US 255's out there for sale. I spoke w/ Sinister Fiero about it and he recommended this place here as a safe bet for getting a "true US Walbro 255"
I have it installed in our 88GT with no issues. Again, stock motor, no 3800, but works well. I kinda like the whine, lets me know its on.
--Allen
the link you wrote are the good one pump im ready to order and just want to make sure it is the good one because in canada it is lot of headache to resend the stock when you dont have the good pump model
I know there was some issues here in the semi-recent past about non-US 255's out there for sale. I spoke w/ Sinister Fiero about it and he recommended this place here as a safe bet for getting a "true US Walbro 255"
Anyway, I can only hear it slightly when the ign is on, with the engine NOT running. 
