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Topic: Burning out bushings.... video.. danger?
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Eclipse
Member Posts: 1945
From: Woodstock, Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2004
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Hi all. We all know one of the popular ways to remove old rubber bushings is to burn them out and replace them with either new ones or Poly.
I am in the midst of doing this myself, but while searching the site, I came across this instructional video.
While the fellow in the video gets things accomplished, it seems to me that those are some very large flames to have burning right under the car. He's very close to fuel lines, vapour lines, fuel inlet, joint boots, etc...
I just want to point this out for the safety of anyone else doing this. Thoughts?
http://videos.streetfire.ne...r-Bushing_154979.htm
PS. if this video was done by any of you here on the forum, I am not trying to start a fight, just pointing out what I see as a possible safety issue.
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Jay Brintnell
Southern Ontario Fiero Association and the Ontario Pontiac Club
Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival. - W. Edwards Deming
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pmbrunelle
Member Posts: 842
From: Montréal, Quebec
Registered: Sep 2008
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Yeah, it's pretty flaky. When I get around to burning out my cradle bushings though, I'll just keep a water hose within reach.
Usually it's a good idea to have a way to extinguish a fire before you start one!IP: Logged |
Xanth
Member Posts: 5368
From:
Registered: May 2006
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Heh, my fiero probably would be up in flames if I did that. Transmission fluid is quite flammable.IP: Logged |
Fie Ro
Member Posts: 3509
From: The Netherlands, Europe
Registered: Sep 2001
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wow that guy is playing with fire !
The right way is doing that away from the car, outdoor and with water at hand....yes the wirebrush IS a good tool to clean up the inside of the sleeve. To install the poly some people put it in the freezer/heat up the sleeve before install but you can do without that if you grease well and put the poly in first and the inner sleeve after that..use a piece of wood to protect the poly when you use a hammer..IP: Logged |
Kento
Member Posts: 3765
From: Fieroless :( in Beautifull Winston Salem NC
Registered: Jun 2003
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I have burned out at least 3 fireo's worth of bushings with no incidents at all. I also did it with the cradles/control arms out of the car and in the middle of the driveway  ------------------
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BrewCheese
Member Posts: 1602
From: South Holland, IL
Registered: Feb 2003
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I still dont understand why people burn out the bushings. Just push them out by using a bench vise or a good size c-clamp. Less time, less mess, and you dont have to clean the sleeves.
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katatak
Member Posts: 3857
From: El Paso, TX, USA
Registered: Apr 2008
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Well I can't say that I have not burned out a few bushings but I would never do it the way he did. Doing it under the car like that is asking for trouble. Leaking fuel, oil coverd parts, etc. He's lucky he did not burn his garage and house to the ground. Not to mention the absolute mess he is going to have all over his garage floor. The last cradle I did, I pulled it out from under the car and put some old plywood under the bushings while they were burning. If you heat the entire outer sleeve, the bushing will push it's self out. I place a bucket of water under the bushing so when it pops out, it drops in the bucket. Do the same for a arms and trailing arms. If I can, I do it outside in the gravel. You have to use a little common sense. If it can go wrong, it will so be prepared! My 0.02 anyway.
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hye_4_life
Member Posts: 209
From: Clovis, CA
Registered: Jul 2008
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I was able to heat up the sleeve itself, then push the non-flaming bushing out of the sleeve into a bucket of water. IP: Logged |
IMSA GT
Member Posts: 2165
From: San Mateo, Ca
Registered: Aug 2007
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The best part of that video is at about 7:52 when he is under the car and hits the jackstand and almost knocks the car over on top of him.[This message has been edited by IMSA GT (edited 05-06-2009).] IP: Logged |
Eclipse
Member Posts: 1945
From: Woodstock, Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2004
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Good. I am glad to see I am not the only person who thinks this guy is headed for a Darwin award. Buring out the bushings wasn't the issue. It's how and where he does it.
Imsa_GT, I must say your car is one of my favorite, Nice work.------------------
Jay Brintnell
Southern Ontario Fiero Association and the Ontario Pontiac Club
Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival. - W. Edwards Deming
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theogre
Member Posts: 16880
From: DE, USA
Registered: Mar 99
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control arms... burn the inside only. pry the outside.
cave, body & chassis, suspension, bushings
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edfiero
Member Posts: 184
From: Coatesville, PA
Registered: Nov 2004
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| | | quote | Originally posted by BrewCheese:
I still dont understand why people burn out the bushings. Just push them out by using a bench vise or a good size c-clamp. Less time, less mess, and you dont have to clean the sleeves.
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I can tell you a couple of reasons.
1. The cradle won't easily fit in a Bench Vise, especially if its still attached to the car.
2. A C-clamp probably doesn't have the power. Just last week, I changed out my front control arm bushings. 5 ton press had trouble getting those bushings out.
Next time I might try the burning method.IP: Logged |
Dennis LaGrua
Member Posts: 6114
From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A.
Registered: May 2000
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Heat the bushing shell with a torch and when they start to sizzle tap the bushing out with a hammer and its done. Its common sense that you don't do this under the car. We've replaced cradle bushings with the engine still on the cradle but always away from the vehicle.
BTW, the guy in the video is a very brave individual putting that much fire near the fuel lines.
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MulletproofMonk
Member Posts: 824
From: Bellbrook, OH 45305
Registered: Oct 2005
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| | | quote | Originally posted by theogre:
control arms... burn the inside only. pry the outside.
cave, body & chassis, suspension, bushings
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Your site doesn't have those options...IP: Logged |
carbon
Member Posts: 2333
From: Jordan, Minnesota, USA
Registered: Apr 2004
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| | | quote | Originally posted by MulletproofMonk:
Your site doesn't have those options... |
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His site does have those options... you don't have Java installed correctly on your machine. The menu is on the top left of the page.IP: Logged |
Rolling Thunder
Member Posts: 805
From: College Station, TX
Registered: Aug 2008
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Being lazy and not removing the parts and moving them to an open area is not very smart. This guy is cooking the paint off of his undercarriage, which will now rust. He's also burning the carpet in the car if it is near that metal. Not to mention any lines, hoses, or fluids he could affect.IP: Logged |
hye_4_life
Member Posts: 209
From: Clovis, CA
Registered: Jul 2008
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
Heat the bushing shell with a torch and when they start to sizzle tap the bushing out with a hammer and its done. |
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This sounds awfully familiar.
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BTW, the guy in the video is a very brave individual putting that much fire near the fuel lines. |
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I don't think I'd call it bravery.
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Eclipse
Member Posts: 1945
From: Woodstock, Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2004
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Jay Brintnell
Southern Ontario Fiero Association and the Ontario Pontiac Club
Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival. - W. Edwards Deming
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jstricker
Member Posts: 12089
From: Russell, KS USA
Registered: Apr 2002
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Bingo.
I built a tool that puts pressure on the bushings. I heat the sleeve and in no time "POP", out they come. Almost no flame or smoke. Still smells like crap though.
John Stricker
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I was able to heat up the sleeve itself, then push the non-flaming bushing out of the sleeve into a bucket of water. |
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Chris Hodson
Member Posts: 1950
From: LE CLAIRE, IOWA, 52753
Registered: Aug 2006
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I figure most of us have the same tools, odds and ends laying around so ill post my video. This is how i remove most all bushings. Its easy, I cant see if messing with the integrity of the metal to much AND there is hardly any smoke or chance of you burning down your garage.
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Chris Hodson
Member Posts: 1950
From: LE CLAIRE, IOWA, 52753
Registered: Aug 2006
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If you notice the red tension thing with the handle in my vid, you could rig just that between the cradle bushings and do the same exact thing. I forgot what that "red handle thingy" is really called,,, anyone?IP: Logged |
buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12930
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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i still use a drill and about a 5/16 bit.IP: Logged |
tjm4fun
Member Posts: 3708
From: Long Island, NY USA
Registered: Feb 2006
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Someone here did a vid doing it the way I did it. some threaded rod, couple pieces of pipe and some washers.
Basically with just the nut on a piece of 3/8 rod, you first pull the center sleeve out, the nut is just the right size, but might need a small washer after the center piece is out, you use a larger washer about half the diameter of the rubber and pull it out.
no flames, no stink, and can be done on car.IP: Logged |
Chris Hodson
Member Posts: 1950
From: LE CLAIRE, IOWA, 52753
Registered: Aug 2006
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This is how I use to do it.
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Dave E Bouy
Member Posts: 786
From: Corunna Ontario Canada
Registered: Sep 2004
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http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/088624.htmlIP: Logged |
Eclipse
Member Posts: 1945
From: Woodstock, Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 2004
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Dave! How've you been man? It's been a long time! How's the car?
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Jay Brintnell
Southern Ontario Fiero Association and the Ontario Pontiac Club
Learning is not compulsory. Neither is survival. - W. Edwards Deming
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Free87GT
Member Posts: 75
From: Fort Worth, TX
Registered: Dec 2008
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Eclipse:
While the fellow in the video gets things accomplished, it seems to me that those are some very large flames to have burning right under the car. He's very close to fuel lines, vapour lines, fuel inlet, joint boots, etc...
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HOLY S**T!! YIKES!!! Thats insane! Anyone else catch the lines: "oh, where did it go!" or "keep a fire extingisher handy!" Crap, that would scare me to death, and he's damned lucky. I seriously doubt that extinguisher would do any amount of good when the car EXPLODES. I mean, I can see doing this on a vise away from other combustibles, but that video is crazy! Common sense, dude. WOW!IP: Logged |
buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12930
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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i do it on the car, and i dont use any fire.IP: Logged |
DeLorean00
Member Posts: 2343
From: Sacramento, CA / Reno, NV
Registered: Aug 2005
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Here are my photos. I made a metal shield out of old license plates to protect the rest of the car.
After watching that video, could you imagine doing that on my 355?
Burning out the cradle bushings in the car, boy was that ever stressful!!! 
My help got tired of holding the torch so just set it next to the control arm turned on and took a time out. LoL!
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