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Inside the GM tilt steering column by JazzMan
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Just remember....if Jazzman didn't do such a fantastic job, it would not matter. So applause to Jazzman also.

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Just remember....if Jazzman didn't do such a fantastic job, it would not matter. So applause to Jazzman also.


Yes, I agree. The "old" Jazzman was a fantastic guy, keen to help as much people as possible. Unfortunately, the "new" Jazzman... well... not so much.

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Yes, I agree. The "old" Jazzman was a fantastic guy, keen to help as much people as possible. Unfortunately, the "new" Jazzman... well... not so much.


With all do respect to Cliff, for starting and maintaining this fantastic Forum, and all guys like "Jazzman," (past and/or previous) who post such wonderful helpful information to help us dummies keep our cars on the road; I need some questions answered before I (semi-blindly) go tearing my steering column apart, not knowing if I have everything I need to put it all back together!

I live 6-miles out and depend on my Fiero to get around because, I love driving my Fiero, and I sold all my other vehicles when I retired.

So,fist of all, at the beginning and end of the thread there are no instructions on how to remove and install the steering column...are there any? Secondly, what parts do I need to have on hand for probable replacement, because they are more likely to be warn out? There are usually certain parts in a repair job like this, that should be replaced as a matter of practicality...what are they? I'd rather buy parts I may not need, and return them if I don't use them, than to be stuck without a part I don't have, and can't get it back together! Should the bearings be replaced or just repacked with grease? Maybe some one can provide a list of recommended parts to have on hand that, more than likely, may need replaced..? Is there an overhaul kit available through GM or whoever? Jazzman mentioned re-greasing movable parts, but when and how much? Greasing parts before necessary can make them hard to handle, especially with all those little (Chinese puzzle) parts!

sorry to be so picky, but I have never rebuilt a complicated column like that, and want to cover as many bases as possible! I have to say, that thread is one of the most professional, and complete threads I've seen! Except for the absence of removal and installation instructions...lol!

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With all do respect to Cliff, for starting and maintaining this fantastic Forum, and all guys like "Jazzman," (past and/or previous) who post such wonderful helpful information to help us dummies keep our cars on the road; I need some questions answered before I (semi-blindly) go tearing my steering column apart, not knowing if I have everything I need to put it all back together!

I live 6-miles out and depend on my Fiero to get around because, I love driving my Fiero, and I sold all my other vehicles when I retired.

So,fist of all, at the beginning and end of the thread there are no instructions on how to remove and install the steering column...are there any? Secondly, what parts do I need to have on hand for probable replacement, because they are more likely to be warn out? There are usually certain parts in a repair job like this, that should be replaced as a matter of practicality...what are they? I'd rather buy parts I may not need, and return them if I don't use them, than to be stuck without a part I don't have, and can't get it back together! Should the bearings be replaced or just repacked with grease? Maybe some one can provide a list of recommended parts to have on hand that, more than likely, may need replaced..? Is there an overhaul kit available through GM or whoever? Jazzman mentioned re-greasing movable parts, but when and how much? Greasing parts before necessary can make them hard to handle, especially with all those little (Chinese puzzle) parts!

sorry to be so picky, but I have never rebuilt a complicated column like that, and want to cover as many bases as possible! I have to say, that thread is one of the most professional, and complete threads I've seen! Except for the absence of removal and installation instructions...lol!



I replaced my wiper and turn signal switches just this past weekend. I noticed this write up had been taken down so I found this one: http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/steering.html
I don't know if he's a member or not but this helped out big time! I even shelled out $90 for a GM original turn signal lever w/cruise and now my '88 GT has cruise control for the first time since 1997!

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The write-up is now on page three of this thread

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...L/088020-3.html#p111

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Originally posted by twofatguys:

Hey, I have a question about this post which explains me copying it and making it once again available for everyone to see.


Working on the pictures now. This may take awhile, the copy I have used a different server for them, and I'm manually changing the address so they work, then I hope some people save this for future use.


Brad


This post is also available on any number (perhaps hundreds) of servers around the world. http://web.archive.org is where I picked this up.

If there is too large of a fuss I shall make another complete walkthrough, name it Cliff's property and go from there because things like this should remain part of the community, unless of course a certain person wants to claim any posts that discuss repairing steering columns.




Would love to see you re post this thread as a whole new thread titled: "Tilt steering column repair" to make it easy for others to find it! I noticed one thing wrong with it too: The lock plate tool Jazz man shows is the wrong one. The right one is by Performance Tools, "Steering wheel Lock Plate Tool (remover/installer) part # W80649," available at O'Reilly's. It has the built-in sleeve on the steering shaft adapter, that slides over the steering wheel splines and buts up tight and flush to the larger splines that the spring clip has to slide over and onto the adapter for easy re-installation. This tool has two different Puller yokes and two different adapters to fit more vehicle applications also (tilt and telescoping).

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I replaced my wiper and turn signal switches just this past weekend. I noticed this write up had been taken down so I found this one: http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/steering.html
I don't know if he's a member or not but this helped out big time! I even shelled out $90 for a GM original turn signal lever w/cruise and now my '88 GT has cruise control for the first time since 1997!


This thread link (noted above) pictures the correct adapter in use, I referred to Brad above! Including this thread with Jazz Man's old one would be helpful to each other to pick-up where the other one is lacking, and make it more complete!

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Originally posted by 88 Dread GT:


I replaced my wiper and turn signal switches just this past weekend. I noticed this write up had been taken down so I found this one: http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/steering.html
I don't know if he's a member or not but this helped out big time! I even shelled out $90 for a GM original turn signal lever w/cruise and now my '88 GT has cruise control for the first time since 1997!


I used the same thread you posted to get to my four infamous torx head bolts that need to be tightened. All went well until after I removed the three phillips head screws from the turn signal switch and the single screw from the turn signal lever inner arm. He then said to "...pull the turn signal "stalk" from the column with the wiper in off position." What does he mean by "stalk?" Does he meant the switch or does he mean the signal arm??? Because either one will come out! He can't mean the signal arm, because it is held in by some kind of pivot pin, and the switch is held in by something catching it from the bottom. So I'm stuck! Plus, I don't know why I need to remove the column from the car, just to tighten the four bolts!?

Edit: Okay, after reviewing Jazzzman's pictures and instructions, I found the stock is the signal arm, that just pulls out, like a socket, after you put the wiper on the off position. So, that answers that question, but do I still have to remove the post just to tighten those bolts? And it has to be anchored down some way to torque the bolts..?

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All legalities aside, this thread must be placed in the FAQ-How-to section.

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Hey guys, I don't mean to bring up this old thread, but when I read through it, it looks to be an assembly-only process.

I'm in the middle of repairing a tilt column and I cant seem to find how to pull the pivot pins out. so I can get to the torx head bolts to remove the steering column wobble.

It looks threaded, I may have to use a slide hammer or something. brb with any progress.

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There's a tool for removing the pivot pins. I now have the tool but did not when I pulled my pins. I found a long screw with the proper threads and put a wide washer on it and wound it into the pivot pin. I then used a pair of pliers as a slide hammer and started wacking at it and they came right out.

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There's a tool for removing the pivot pins. I now have the tool but did not when I pulled my pins. I found a long screw with the proper threads and put a wide washer on it and wound it into the pivot pin. I then used a pair of pliers as a slide hammer and started wacking at it and they came right out.

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would you or anyone else know the thread size of the inside of the pivot pins?

I'm going to call the local autoparts stores to see if they have such a tool kit available.

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Hey this is your lucky day. Found this for you.

Remove Pivot Pin - Description #5
Remove the two pivot pins #30. Each of the pins ha
s a tapped hole so that you can use
the GM tool or jury rig a puller using an 8-32 scre
w, nut, washer, and a ½ inch or a
12mm socket. Bridge each pin with the socket and u
se the screw and nut to pull them
out. You will note that the bowl of #53 Gearshift
Lever Housing comes right up to the
edge of each pivot pin. You cannot react against t
he fragile bowl. But you also must
keep your removal tool square to the pivot pins. T
wo home made tools that provide
clearance to the bowl and keep things square are sh
own below. Some people have
successfully threaded a screw into the pins and pri
ed them out with a pair of pliers.

Spoon

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Originally posted by Spoon:

Hey this is your lucky day. Found this for you.

8-32 screw, nut, washer, and a ½ inch or a 12mm socket.

Spoon




+1 for you, thanks!

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Does anyone know how to get ahold of him.
I really don't feel like doing this myself and I recall he had people send him them and have fixed.

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Does anyone know how to get ahold of him.
I really don't feel like doing this myself and I recall he had people send him them and have fixed.


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Note: PDF version link above is dead and likely never coming back.
Google the file name and alt file name to find mirrors.

Working on columns:
Is not really hard to fix them most times.
If you don't what to do the job... Many people fix them. Check local shops.

Use PFF search and See my Cave, Steering for other column notes.

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Originally posted by theogre:

Note: PDF version link above is dead and likely never coming back.
Google the file name and alt file name to find mirrors.

Working on columns:
Is not really hard to fix them most times.
If you don't what to do the job... Many people fix them. Check local shops.

Use PFF search and See my Cave, Steering for other column notes.


Well it out and apart now.
hands throbbing and shaking with arthritis. I wish I hadn't started this and just replaced it at this point.

This thread has helped me immensely so far. Thanks to Ogre's thread i know what is wrong with ignition also. It is definitely bent gear linkage thingie.
All four bolts falling out one hole I am re tapping to see if I can clean it up.

Dear lord I hope I can get this back together again.

EDIT

I just saved Jazzman's PDF from Ogre's cave. Printing it out now. Thank you Jazzman even if you are mad at something.

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:
All four bolts falling out one hole I am re tapping to see if I can clean it up.

I just saved Jazzman's PDF from Ogre's cave.

Don't "re tap" or even just chase defective bolts or holes.

The metal part the 4 bolts go thru is soft. If you re tap the holes then likely will be doing this again.

Just get a used tilt unit and used that for better parts. Tilt section should be the same on most GM rounded columns. (Is the tube section that made for model of car.)

Yes, my cave does have a link to a "mirror." How long depend on mirror. I'm not fixing dead links every day. I don't know how long last link was dead.

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