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Topic: My 3800SC Series II swap
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PRJPerformance
Junior Member Posts: 1
From: United States
Registered: Aug 2009
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I'm not going to get into a pissing match here. I just want to set some facts straight.
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Hate to say this, but I am very disappointed in the fuel rails. It took some serious modifications to make them functional.
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Perhaps if it had been mentioned at the time of purchase that they were going to be used for a Fiero swap it might have helped. I have custom taylored kits for several people for Fiero swaps, and other "non-standard" installations. I used to package a kit specifically for Fiero swaps for Loyde of FastFieros. I have rarely charged extra for these custom kits (unless there is a significant price differance), even though they often require trips the hose/fitting supplier to get extra or different fittings, or in some cases custom made hoses.
| | | quote | Originally posted by bmwguru:
The fuel pressure regulator was mising all the hardware. I had to purchase a bunch of -AN fittings and couplers to make the system connect.
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Occasionally parts may get left out of a kit. Stuff happens. We try our best... But instead of crying about it on a forum, maybe the FIRST though you should have done is either contact the distrubutor, or contact the manufacturer (there is a business card with phone number and email address included in every package) and the ommision could have been corrected.
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The hose they included in the kit was nothing more than cloth wrapped plastic hose. I upgraded to braided hose with -AN fittings all the way to the fuel filter.
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That "cloth" is a kevlar reinforced nomax fiber. It is fire and wear resistant. It is used in IRL, Formula One, and NHRA. The "plastic" tube is a corrugated PTFE teflon tubing, just like used on the internal fuel pump connection. It is impervious to all solvents and fuel additives, and can be used with gas, E85. Ethonal, Methonal, and Nitromethane. It will NOT deteriorate over time, like other rubber and synthetic rubber hoses do (they dry out and develop micro cracks, which you will get a tell-tale fuel smell all the time when they do this from fuel vaptor seaping through them) The UltraFlex hose that is used is rated to 300 PSI, far more then you will ever get from any fuel pump used for a 3800.
What you did in fact do is DOWNGRADE you hoses. In a year time, you will start to notice a constant fuel smell in the engine bay, and will search to no ends for a non-visible fuel leak.
| | | quote | Originally posted by bmwguru:
The fuel log manufacturer should have his balls removed for the issues and poor quality that we upgraded...they do look sweet, though.
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I'm glad you think they look good. Sorry you consider the quality poor. You would be the first in over 500 kits sold that thinks that though.
We spent 2 years researching materials, revising design, and testing and have made 3 major design revisions based on customer feedback over the last 5 years.
PRJ
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bmwguru
Member Posts: 2956
From: Howell, NJ USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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PRJ,
I apologize for the outburst. I wish I cooled down a bit before posting. I was having a bad week and lost my cool.
The fuel rails are very nice. Personally, I would have liked to see an adjustable pressure regulator instead of using the factory one. I wasn't sure why, but the factory one didn't fit and I had to purchase a new regulator for that application.
The hoses didn't work out so well because of the intercooler. They just didn't reach. I've never run into any issues with the braided line. I've had it on my V8 Weber Fiero for about six years. I'm sure they do seep after time....as with most fuel lines.
Honestly, I prefer your style of fuel rail over the ZZP ones I have on my Fiero...and i plan to use your rails on future swaps. I didn't realize you had a setup for the Fieros.
I really like the way I set up the rails on Sabooo's car by mounting the regulator with gauge to the end of the rail with AN fittings instead of a hose.
Once again...I apologize.
Dave------------------
1987 GT (my toy-see above), 1987 GT 3800s/c, 1986 SE with a VW VR6, certified master technician/shop owner
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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Things are still moving along here. Fiero1Fan buckets are installed (powder coated black) using Xerces Blackthorne's wiring harness - no issues whatsoever with either. Things are buttoning up and soon getting into shake down.
Had a nightmare last night that I was driving the car, pulled away from a stop and at 3k rpm the trans let go. Hoping that's not prophetic. LOL.IP: Logged |
bmwguru
Member Posts: 2956
From: Howell, NJ USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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Here are some updated pics. I spent about two hours getting the alignment into spec. I plan to realign it to fine tune it within a few days. I always prefer to go over the car twice after a major suspension overhaul. It gives the springs time to settle and allows me to see how it performs on the road to know if I should push the adjustments in or out depending on how it handles. Just because it is in spec doesn't mean it can't be better.
Here are the headlight pics. No issues with the wiring. I added plastic loom to cover it (just to make me feel better  )
I also changed the color of the trunk carpet to make it look cleaner. Sabooo says he is planning on replacing it down the road, but is good for the meantime. I have to reshape the carpet. I guess it flattened out a little from being out for a while.
All that is left is to reassemble the interior, charge the a/c, rebleed the brakes and clutch and dyno it. Then a bit of driving time to ensure no problems and Sabooo will have it back in his hands. I do understand why this was originally called "Project Run Screaming". On the first test drive the accelerator cable broke on us. Luckily I had a spare that I threw in "on the Haus". On the second test drive the clutch pedal started to get weak. The slave cylinder crapped out on us. It should be 110% now 
Dave
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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Thanks for the pics, Dave - you have the name exactly right. I bought the car thinking it would run screaming down the road. In truth, I've been forced to realize I should've run screaming from this car. But I cant bring myself to give up on it. Lots of little things have added up to alot of work, but each replaced part gives me one less thing to worry about. Slowly this car has been transformed into reliable...one broken part or failed system at a time.
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bmwguru
Member Posts: 2956
From: Howell, NJ USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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| | | quote | Originally posted by sabooo:
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Just sit down and have a shot of Wild Turkey first. Then we'll discuss your bill.  IP: Logged |
sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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The dark humor is that you're not first, you're only next. RockCrawl got it first to get me through PA inspection for the first time - New exhaust to include a cat, replace parking brake cables, add EGR back. Then my personal mechanic had it for a few days trying to get to the bottom of it's idling issues. Then Dave Pettinelli had it for headers, conversion to OBD2, Wideband, tuning, etc. Now you've got it. I've owned the car for a year and put about 1100 miles on it. Most expensive 1100 miles I've ever driven. LOL.
Seriously though - cant wait to see your work, and to drive it, too. Alot about the car was let go since the original swap, and much of the car was still vintage 1986. Many of the costs were things were due to be replaced without regard to the powertrain swap, and just as a result of age. A few things are just my idea of fun, a few for show, and some for go. I keep looking over my shoulder at the new locks and Dew wipes on the floor. Figure I might as well replace the window motors while I'm in there... then there's that engine compartment..I'm sure I can pretty that up a little. Hmmmm.
I'm going to need a part time job. You hiring Dave? I can run for Pizza and clean the wrenches. that's wRenches.
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bmwguru
Member Posts: 2956
From: Howell, NJ USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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LOL. I'd rather have you clean the wenches, but I'm cool with whatever. I'll tell you like I told Joey. I'll be your last stop.
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Dennis LaGrua
Member Posts: 6114
From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A.
Registered: May 2000
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Coming along very nicely. As for the fuel rail, I run the stock 3800SC series III non-return SS rail on my swap and it looks nice to me. I just flared the fuel inlet for a 3/8" tube nut/sleeve to #6 hose fitting and located the regulator down near the fuel filter. Seems to hold 43 psi fine.
The Aeromotive and PRL rails are nice are well made but are costly and look too bulky for my taste. I do like PRJ's fuel pressure regulator adapter and will need to buy one of these after the season ends. I would agree that an adjustbale FP regulator would look nice. ------------------
" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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I'm really looking forward to seeing your work one of these days, Dennis. Are you coming to Wheels of Time?IP: Logged |
sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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Had BmwGuru install a new head unit while he has the car. Nothing dramatic - Clarion FZ409. Love the clean look of this..basically an ipod controller with an fm tuner in it.
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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| | | quote | Originally posted by Golden86:
I dropped the engine, and pulled it apart today. It took only 3 hours to do everything.
Here is the stripped short block.
Here is the spun bearing, it is on cyl. # 1. There really isn't that much damage, I could probably have the crank polished, and reuse it, but im not too sure.
Here are all the parts waiting to go onto the rebuilt block
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Today that rebuilt block gave up the ghost - spinning #4 bearing with all of the appropriate noises. In the last 12 months I have rebuilt the entire car, I guess the bottom end was feeling left out. Someday I'll actually get to enjoy this thing.
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bmwguru
Member Posts: 2956
From: Howell, NJ USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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Don't worry Rich, I'll get your car up and running again. I'm just glad it happened while I was driving it and not you. This is just a minor setback.
Dave
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1987 GT (my toy-see above), 1987 GT 3800s/c, 1986 SE with a VW VR6, certified master technician/shop owner
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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Soo...what's next? ZZP Performance crate engine.
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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Car is reassembled and running well. Dyno'd today at approx 365hp and 375tq. I'll post some pics and video as soon as I can get some time free.
For now, you can check this thread for some pics, the dyno sheet, and a vid of the dyno run.
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bmwguru
Member Posts: 2956
From: Howell, NJ USA
Registered: Sep 2006
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Since Joey felt that she became "one" with the harness on Sabooo's car, she signed the pcm. This is the second pcm she has put her signature on from the harness she has built. I feel left out. She never signed my pcm in my car 
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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Been awhile since any update. Car is back in the shop this week for a few tweaks. The parking brake cables that were on the car were just a bit too short, and were actually getting stretched by the rear suspension. These are being replaced with something of more suitable length.
Also, the big brake kit used a setup that saw a pretty hard angle on the braided lines right off the front calipers, which also didn't leave room to route these lines correctly. They were sort of hanging out in space. Swapping the front calipers to something with a different setup to allow a bit of length for those lines. These will also not have the brake line blocking the bolts so that the brake pads can be changed without a full system bleed.
Otherwise, nothing to report.
Cheers,
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sabooo
Member Posts: 371
From: Lehigh Valley, PA
Registered: Aug 2006
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All good with the brakes. Drove the car a few hundred miles today, 95% highway. Runs brilliantly. Next adventure - swap to Gen2 headlight motors.
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