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Topic: Unique engine swap in my '88 GT
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F-I-E-R-O
Member Posts: 8408
From: Endwell, NY
Registered: Jan 2005
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Something funky happened tonight- all my Firefox favorites are gone, and now I have to start from scratch. The reason I mention this is I had an online translation site that I use and had to look it up all over again. The poor mans translation of the French looks something like this:The rear glasses has not any amount, to the manner of the Citroën CENTER. Once opened, one can remove the mask in beige leather to leave apparaitre the pad motor: a superb one 12 cylinders in placed line in transverse position. The characteristic of this unpublished pad is to be constituted of two bike motors 6 cylinders 1300 cm3 of origin Kawasaki. Each preserved his can manuelle to five speeds: there is therefore two activated cans simultanément by a common lever unique by the intermediary one of two tringleries. The two motors induce each a rear wheel and simply are linked up by trapezoid straps that stabilize the system variations. The car eventually can roll with an alone motor in case of mechanical problems. The power rises to 240 horses for 800 kg, be a report weights power of 3,3 kg horse (4,3 kg horse for a Lamborghini Countach LP500 same era!!). Accelerations are therefore excellentes with 5 seconds to pass of 0 to 100 km/h. For that the speed of not at all was a little sacrificed (200 km/h anyway!).
This has got to be one of the mods of all mods for any Fiero I've ever seen. I can't wait to see how this turns out. It's a cool idea, and would love to take a spin in it once it's done just to have one of those stories I could tell everyone when I'm 95 years old about how I once had the opportunity to drive a car with two wngines in it.  Keep up the good work!
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268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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Well I won another Busa engine on EBAY today and I am working out a deal for a 300ZXTT diff this weekend! Let the progress continue...------------------
Power is nothing without control.
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87GT_97114
Member Posts: 566
From: Dayton, Oregon, USA
Registered: Mar 2005
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Gokart Mozart: Don't dis him. It's been done in the past. Franco Sbarro built a car called SuperTwelve back in the 80's.
 
Can you read French?
La lunette arrière n'a pas de montant, à la manière des Citroën AX. Une fois ouverte, on peut ôter le cache en cuir beige pour laisser apparaitre le bloc moteur : un superbe 12 cylindres en ligne placé en position transversale. La particularité de ce bloc inédit est d'être constitué de deux moteurs de moto 6 cylindres 1300 cm3 d'origine Kawasaki. Chacun a conservé sa boîte manuelle à cinq vitesses : il y a donc deux boîtes actionnées simultanément par un levier commun unique par l'intermédiaire de deux tringleries. Les deux moteurs entraînent chacun une roue arrière et sont simplement reliés par des courroies trapézoïdales qui stabilisent les variations de régime. La voiture peut éventuellement rouler avec un seul moteur en cas de problèmes mécaniques. La puissance s'élève à 240 chevaux pour 800 kg, soit un rapport poids/puissance de 3,3 kg/cheval (4,3 kg/cheval pour une Lamborghini Countach LP500 de la même époque !!). Les accélérations sont donc excellentes avec 5 secondes pour passer de 0 à 100 km/h. Pour cela la vitesse de pointe a été un peu sacrifiée (200 km/h tout de même !).
http://clcalvet.club.fr/sbarro/modelemois/super128-sept2001/super128.html
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Dictionary.com has a translator, enough to get the general idea: The rear window does not have an amount, with the manner of Citroen AX. Opened once, one can remove the beige leather mask to leave apparaitre the driving block: superb 12 cylinders in line placed in transverse position. The characteristic of this new block is to consist of two engines of motor bike 6 cylinders 1300 Cm3 of Kawasaki origin. Each one preserved its manual box at five speeds: there are thus two boxes actuated simultaneously by a single common lever via two linkages. The two engines involve each one a aft wheel and are simply connected by V-belts which stabilize the variations of mode. The car can possibly run with only one engine in the event of mechanical problems. The power rises with 240 horses for 800 kg, that is to say a poids/puissance report/ratio of 3,3 kg/cheval (4,3 kg/cheval for Lamborghini Countach LP500 of the same time!!). Accelerations are thus excellent with 5 seconds to pass from 0 to 100 km/h. For that the dash speed was sacrificed a little (200 km/h all the same!).
Cool! ------------------
'87 GT, daily driver
'78 Toyota longbed, parts runner
'84 F250 Xcab, BIG parts runner
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Iain
Member Posts: 53
From: Hamilton, Scotland
Registered: Apr 2004
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You do Know you'll need to dry sump both engines?You'd also be better to use a Muffet box (I think), as i believe they'll take two inputs and also provide you with a reverse gear.
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Iain
Member Posts: 53
From: Hamilton, Scotland
Registered: Apr 2004
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Right, these should get you started, I'll post the rest later.
http://www.zcars.org.uk/index.htm
http://www.caterhamfireblade.com/
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268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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No room for any type of transfer case unfortunately. I believe the engines will be fine with the stock oiling setup especially if I baffle the pans. I will keep it in mind though and monitor for oil starvation.------------------
Power is nothing without control.
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THE BEAST
Member Posts: 1141
From: PORT SAINT LUCIE,FLORIDA,USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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So, what is new? Any updates?Thanks
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Iain
Member Posts: 53
From: Hamilton, Scotland
Registered: Apr 2004
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As far as I'm aware there hasn't been a great deal of success just baffling the sump of 'busa motors for car use. I think there's at least one company producing a special cast sump for car use, i'll have a trawl through some back issues.
I really would have a word with Richard Alban at TTS, he's just about the world expert on the engine, may save you a lot of hassle.iain IP: Logged |
Will
Member Posts: 9020
From: Where you least expect me
Registered: Jun 2000
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Remember that as installed in a motorcycle, the engine doesn't see a lot of lateral loading, just vertical as the rider leans the bike into the corner. Not really necessary to baffle very well in those circumstances.IP: Logged |
268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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My setup will be rotated 90* relative to the position in a bike. Cornering will not be an issue but hard braking and short hard bursts of acceleration may be a concern.IP: Logged |
Will
Member Posts: 9020
From: Where you least expect me
Registered: Jun 2000
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True. Cornering loads in your app are like braking/acceleration loads in a bike.IP: Logged |
bryson
Member Posts: 737
From: Mt. Pleasant, SC, USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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At the same time, braking and acceleration are like a bike laying down in the corners.IP: Logged |
268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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^^^ Not exactly because the bikes lean and the car won't. The oil is forced to the bottom of the pan on a bike leaning into a croner but it will be forced to the side when installed in a car.IP: Logged |
268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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Picked up the other engine today and threw it in beside the other one. Looks.........AWESOME! Like a crazy cool factory option, but not really. I will get some pics up later today.IP: Logged |
268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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The stripped interior ready for a cage and some Sparcos...
 Here are some pics of the two engines. I hope they get along well together 
 Still with room to spare.
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GonsaiPK
Member Posts: 362
From: Elgin, IL
Registered: Sep 2003
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Sweet!I, like others, thought this thread was about someone's unrealistic pipe dream. I thought you would post once or twice about it, and we'd never hear from you again. But to see such progress and commitment, wow! Way to go on following your dreams!  This is gonna be awesome. IP: Logged |
Capt Fiero
Member Posts: 6346
From: British Columbia, Canada
Registered: Feb 2000
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OMG they are actually in the car. I along with most other people honestly thought that this was a going to end like so many other WILD SWAPS But a huge congratulations on getting them in the car. I can't wait to see this thing fire up. Gonna sound Unique to say the least. ------------------
85GT 5spd MSD Everything,4.9 With Nitrous. www.captfiero.com
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268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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They are IN the car but not fastened down quite yet. I am still waiting on a diff so I can get everything mocked/squared up so I can fab up some mounts. There is a lot to be done for sure but I am VERY commited to making it run.Things to do:
modify subframe to allow engines to sit lower
fab up mounts
Fab up driveshaft, halfshafts, chain and sprockets
fab up linkages for throttle, shifting, clutch
relocate rear swaybar under subframe
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tesmith66
Member Posts: 5136
From: Jerseyville, IL USA
Registered: Sep 2001
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by 268 GT: They are IN the car but not fastened down quite yet. I am still waiting on a diff so I can get everything mocked/squared up so I can fab up some mounts. There is a lot to be done for sure but I am VERY commited to making it run. Things to do:
modify subframe to allow engines to sit lower
fab up mounts
Fab up driveshaft, halfshafts, chain and sprockets
fab up linkages for throttle, shifting, clutch
relocate rear swaybar under subframe
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Step 5: Sanity check. You are insane!  Keep it up. I love it! Good luck. ------------------
1986 SE 350 V8 <===== A boring swap compared to this one. [This message has been edited by tesmith66 (edited 09-25-2005).] IP: Logged |
FastIndyFiero
Member Posts: 2470
From: Wichita, KS
Registered: Aug 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by tesmith66:
Step 5: Sanity check.
You are insane! Keep it up. I love it! Good luck. |
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Sanity checks are noooo fun. Every morning..."Hmmm...I have a crazy idea....Yeeesss!!!" Love the swap man. Takes the phrase "just do it" to a whole new level around here. ------------------
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Will
Member Posts: 9020
From: Where you least expect me
Registered: Jun 2000
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 268 GT:
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I am still waiting on a diff so I can get everything mocked/squared up so I can fab up some mounts. |
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It will be very interesting to see how you do that, considering that the axle will have to go basically right through the sprockets. Fitting a diff will be a trick. IP: Logged |
NY_FIERO
Member Posts: 1546
From: syracuse
Registered: May 2002
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OK, I think someone has slipped some illegal stuff into my redbull-vodka...
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268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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My friend who replaces windshields for a living came over today and helped me make the car look worse. We removed the front and rear windows and the roof panel. The windows will be replaced with plexiglass to save weight and the sunroof top will be replaced with a hard top to save weight and improve looks. My neighbors are stopping by tomorrow to give me a quote on a roll cage.Sorry for the blurry pics, I'm still getting used to the new camera... 
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268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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That's just awesome.
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JamesCurtis
Member Posts: 1792
From: Lincoln, NE
Registered: Oct 2003
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That right there is a thing of beauty------------------
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matchmade
Member Posts: 397
From: St. Louis, MO USA
Registered: Sep 2004
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Can't wait to see the finished product.------------------
First Fiero: White 1984 Fiero SE - I miss you old friend
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GT
Member Posts: 911
From: Silver Spring, MD USA
Registered: May 2003
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That is the coolest Fiero ever. I just bought an 84 Honda Magna V65 and it's my focus of love and devotion at the moment. 10K redline. Nothing like high revs on a bike. If you can get this twin 'Busa to run, now I KNOW I can get my 5.0V8 to run, Thanks I need to see crazy sh*t every now and then. Good luck, can't wait to see it finished.------------------
-Rick Stewart
85GT 5.0CaddyV8/Getrag 5-spd in progress...
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Gokart Mozart
Member Posts: 6677
From: Metro Detroit
Registered: Mar 2003
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What kind of front bumper is that?IP: Logged |
268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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Artero front end kit from PISA corp.IP: Logged |
268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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Some pics of the seats being test fitted.
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Power is nothing without control.
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865spd
Member Posts: 794
From: Tri-Cities, Washington, USA
Registered: Oct 2004
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talk about being different from the already different Fiero comunity. That idea is absolutley awesome, can't wait to see how it turns outIP: Logged |
ShaddowGt
Member Posts: 1491
From: Phx, Az
Registered: Jan 2004
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soooooo, when this is done you'll come up here and give me a ride riiiiiight? wow, u are one crazy mofo, but i love it! theres no comeback like "oh yah? mine has TWO engines!"oh, btw, what do u want for that sunroof roof panel? was it damaged in removal at all? [This message has been edited by ShaddowGt (edited 10-11-2005).] IP: Logged |
268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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The roof panel has a SMALL scrape above the quarter window area that is fixable when it gets painted. I am looking for an undamaged slicktop painted to match my car in trade. I do not need a headliner or anything, just the plastic roof panel. I have all the hardware to complete the sunroof install except the headliner which was damaged during removal.IP: Logged |
BobadooFunk
Member Posts: 5432
From: Pittsburgh PA
Registered: Jun 2003
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O MAN i too thot it was a dream to be unfinished!!! but WOW!!! awesome man i really really hope you do this!
and i hope to see it at a show some day!!------------------
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/050262.html "Ritalin"
http://bobadoofunk.deviantart.com/gallery/ <-- To See My Online Art Gallery
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268 GT
Member Posts: 111
From: Tucson, AZ USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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Just received my diff this afternoon. It is a 3.07:1 Torsen LSD which will yield the following speeds:
Gear-MPH @ 10800RPM
1st-62
2nd-84
3rd-106
4th-126
5th-143
6th-155Pics and updates soon to come...
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FierOmar
Member Posts: 1534
From: Glendale, California, USA
Registered: Dec 2001
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 268 GT:
Just received my diff this afternoon. It is a 3.07:1 Torsen LSD which will yield the following speeds:
Gear-MPH @ 10800RPM
1st-62
2nd-84
3rd-106
4th-126
5th-143
6th-155
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Interesting gear splits. ------------------
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Gokart Mozart
Member Posts: 6677
From: Metro Detroit
Registered: Mar 2003
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bump to keep the interest upIP: Logged |
1fastcaddy
Member Posts: 618
From: Hays, Kansas
Registered: Oct 2004
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by 268 GT: Just received my diff this afternoon. It is a 3.07:1 Torsen LSD which will yield the following speeds:
Gear-MPH @ 10800RPM
1st-62
2nd-84
3rd-106
4th-126
5th-143
6th-155 Pics and updates soon to come... |
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That looks a lot like my bike, cept the fact that 1st is bout 55 and 6th is 168, hehehe, by the way, mines an 89 750 ninja. laters ------------------
Soon to be custom port fuel injected with Megasquirt! 4.5l and th-440 And Im only 18. think about when Im 30!! IP: Logged |
MinnGreenGT
Member Posts: 11226
From: Lakeville, MN 55044
Registered: Jul 2001
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Note #1 - you are certifibly crazy.Note#2 - Keep it up IP: Logged |
