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Topic: Manual Transmission Identification With Pics
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buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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manual tranny idThe Muncie 4 speed. Only has 2 pieces to it’s case so it does NOT have an end cap.
 The cables run over the top side by side.
 The cables are held in this bracket and use two spring metal clips in the shape of a “U” to hold them in place
 The 84 4 speed case has brackets for cables used in FWD cars cast in to it's case.
 The 85 and up case does not have the cable brackets.
 The 84 case is smooth.
 The 85 and up case has fins cast in it to make it stronger.
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buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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The Isuzu 5 speedHas three pieces to it’s case and has a large aluminum end cap.
 The cables run over the top side by side.
 The cables are held in this bracket that has a single bolt running through the center of it.
 It has a reverse light switch on the top next to three large bolts.
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buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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The Getrag 5 speedHas three pieces to it’s case and has a flat IRON end plate. (you can check it with a magnet)
 The cables run one over the top
 and one from the bottom.
* * * thanks to rubyredfiero for the pic* * * The top cable is held in place by this bracket
 It has a reverse light switch above three tube like humps.
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lurker
Member Posts: 9673
From: between unionville and shelbyville, tn
Registered: Feb 2002
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excellent post, buggycraidd  oops, dyslexic moment, sorry.
i'll leave it for grins.  [This message has been edited by lurker (edited 06-06-2005).] IP: Logged |
rims05
Member Posts: 627
From: Lincoln, Nebraska
Registered: Jul 2003
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nice, this just might be the end of the "tell me what transmission i have" threads lol, always like to see info before its asked for that means you know what your doing Travis IP: Logged |
jelly2m8
Member Posts: 5578
From: Nova Scotia, Canada
Registered: Jul 2001
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Excellent post buddy, this one needs to be stuck in a faq.IP: Logged |
buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by lurker: excellent post, buggycraidd |
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mmmm
double D's
i can only wish... at least you got two Gs in there somewhere [This message has been edited by buddycraigg (edited 06-06-2005).] IP: Logged |
HellYes
Member Posts: 736
From: CLifton, IL 60927
Registered: Mar 2005
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Great info + for you. IP: Logged |
1MohrFiero
Member Posts: 3499
From: Paducah, Ky
Registered: Apr 2003
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Great thread Buddy with two Ds.  But help me out here my 87 GT trans looks more like a getrag than an isuzu and has a metal plate but the dipstick is located about wher the connector hangs in this picture.
The following picture isnt mine but this is the same trans. I have circled the dipsstick. Yes I believe mine is stock. The car only has 68,000 miles on it.
 So is this an early gertrag or later one? Thanks, ------------------
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buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | Originally posted by 1MohrFiero:
my 87 GT trans looks more like a getrag than an isuzu and has a metal plate but the dipstick is located about wher the connector hangs in this picture.So is this an early gertrag or later one? Thanks, |
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a 86 and up GT would have had a getrag in it so thats why it looks like one.
and I never have been able to make any sence out of the whole dip stick thing, some had em, some didn't
(that's why i didn't mention it) but thanks for bringing it up. [This message has been edited by buddycraigg (edited 06-06-2005).] IP: Logged |
cowans
Member Posts: 617
From: Gloucester, Ontario Canada
Registered: Aug 2000
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Good Post Buddy!
I used to think that it would be a Getrag if the tranny had a 'dipstick'. WRONG! I am presently using a 90 Cavalier (Isuzu) tranny that has a DIPSTICK, just behind the speedo generator!
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KissMySSFiero
Member Posts: 4909
From: Augusta, Ga
Registered: Nov 2000
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1MohrFiero,
Some getrags have a dipstick that screws into the case. The trans in that pic is a getrag. IP: Logged |
buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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still would like a pic of the getrag with the cables in place if anybodys got one.
i've been searching peoples build up threads but haven't found any with the cables.between that and looking at the Dells pic the IT guys are gonna wonder why i'm using up all the bandwidth IP: Logged |
Kohburn
Member Posts: 7341
From: Lusby, Md
Registered: Jul 2003
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may want to show the ribbed 85+ 4speed vs smooth 84- 4speedIP: Logged |
buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Kohburn: may want to show the ribbed 85+ 4speed vs smooth 84- 4speed |
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i thought about it and most people just want to know which of the three they have.
remember, "keep it simple, make it fun" IP: Logged |
1MohrFiero
Member Posts: 3499
From: Paducah, Ky
Registered: Apr 2003
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by KissMySSFiero: 1MohrFiero,
Some getrags have a dipstick that screws into the case. The trans in that pic is a getrag. |
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I beleieved it was one but like Buddy said the whole dipstick thing is confusing. One person told me it wasn't because the dipstick has to be in the other place (like the top picture) to be a getrag. I wish I knew it all.  IP: Logged |
Fie Ro
Member Posts: 3509
From: The Netherlands, Europe
Registered: Sep 2001
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great post!....but your 'getrag' pictures....is that really a getrag?! I started wondering when I saw the other pics so I checked my (87) getrag...it has the dipstick and is the same type 1MohrFiero posted. I also recall the getrag's have their backup switch mounted to the shifter in the midconsole, not at the transmission.....when you look at the picture the only electrical connection is the speedsensor....
I might be wrong but I thought all the getrags were the same...?  IP: Logged |
buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Fie Ro: great post!....but your 'getrag' pictures....is that really a getrag?! I started wondering when I saw the other pics so I checked my (87) getrag...it has the dipstick and is the same type 1MohrFiero posted. I also recall the getrag's have their backup switch mounted to the shifter in the midconsole, not at the transmission.....when you look at the picture the only electrical connection is the speedsensor.... I might be wrong but I thought all the getrags were the same...? |
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your right all getrags are the same, minus some had a dipstick and some didn't. if you look where the blue arrows are pointing i bet you will find two grey or black wires that will lead to about where the green spot is.
of course you wouldn't be able to see the sensor without your Spytech X-ray glasses cause it's hidden by the shift arm in this pic 
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rubyredfiero
Member Posts: 665
From: Belle River, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jul 2003
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buddycraigg - As requested I took a pic of the cables from my car for your use. Hope it's adequate.
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buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by rubyredfiero: buddycraigg - As requested I took a pic of the cables from my car for your use. Hope it's adequate.
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i see a dipstick in the lower left corner in this pic. IP: Logged |
theratdude64
Member Posts: 236
From: Ogden, UT USA
Registered: Sep 2005
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what is that big round plug on the isuzu just below the end of the blue arrow? The fiero I'm getting has those wires cut  I can fix it, just wondering what it isI'm thinking its reverse light or something, but it could be VSS or Neutral Safety Switch, so I figured I'd ask the professional Fiero people [This message has been edited by theratdude64 (edited 10-08-2005).] IP: Logged |
Jncomutt
Member Posts: 7815
From: Ballertown, CT / Charlotte, NC
Registered: Apr 2001
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The round plug closest to the output for the pass. side axle is the VSS. It's in that same spot for the 4speed too...
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buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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look at it again,
someone cut VSS wires on this car too.
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arte444
Member Posts: 1289
From: Mankato, MN
Registered: Sep 2002
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Great thread. Answered at least 7 questions I had. One more question though. Is the rear transmission mount for the 5spd isuzu #2467 for my 87 4cyl?  What do the other transmission moutns look like? I have the th-125 in my car right now so I have the side mount instead of the front and rear I guess =x. Maybe I should start a thread. ------------------
-Kyle
Email: arte@sek-c.com
Aim: Littlechugger
1987 Notchback 4cyl. (Running Good!)
1992 Corsica 3.1L GT =P
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stalen88GT
Member Posts: 471
From: Southern, California
Registered: Oct 2004
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Great info.IP: Logged |
theratdude64
Member Posts: 236
From: Ogden, UT USA
Registered: Sep 2005
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by buddycraigg: look at it again,
someone cut VSS wires on this car too.
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Dangit, I stopped getting notifications of threads :'( what did I do wrong? anyone know? Sorry otherwise I woulda replied earlier. I went back and looked at the car again, and it was clipped right at the connector housing. So I dont really see a way to Solder/Splice em back together. Is the best bet to hit up a junkyard or something? [This message has been edited by theratdude64 (edited 10-10-2005).] IP: Logged |
Saxman
Member Posts: 4960
From: Southern MD, USA
Registered: May 2005
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Thanks for the great info!So, where is the reverse light switch on the 4-speed? Thanks! [This message has been edited by Saxman (edited 10-10-2005).] IP: Logged |
Jncomutt
Member Posts: 7815
From: Ballertown, CT / Charlotte, NC
Registered: Apr 2001
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Saxman: So, where is the reverse light switch on the 4-speed? Thanks! |
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On the shifter assembly under the shift console. IP: Logged |
buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by arte444: Great thread. Answered at least 7 questions I had. One more question though. Is the rear transmission mount for the 5spd isuzu #2467 for my 87 4cyl? What do the other transmission moutns look like? I have the th-125 in my car right now so I have the side mount instead of the front and rear I guess =x. Maybe I should start a thread. |
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i think the rubber mount part is the same.
it's the metal part bolted to the trannys that are different.
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buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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updated to show the difference in the 84 and later 4speed cases.IP: Logged |
Alex4mula
Member Posts: 5379
From: Lake Worth, FL,US
Registered: Dec 1999
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Great info! + to you. Basically with the case differences you cn tell right away.------------------
Palm Beach Fieros
http://pbfieros.tripod.com
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Spiff
Member Posts: 1591
From: York ,PA
Registered: Sep 2001
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I think this should be a Sticky. Alot of good info here.IP: Logged |
GT
Member Posts: 911
From: Silver Spring, MD USA
Registered: May 2003
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Does anyone have a photo or drawing of the routing of the Getrag shift cables? I know where they hook up but I'm not sure how they are routed from the firewall to the tranny. I'm just trying to get a factory look and this is an auto to Getrag conversion.Thanks
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Chris88GT
Member Posts: 101
From: Hamilton OH, USA
Registered: May 2004
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Question? If there is no dipstick hole, where do you put in tranny fluid. This is where i fill mine and the only other hole is the drain hole. You cant put fluid in that way!IP: Logged |
buddycraigg
Member Posts: 12932
From: kansas city, mo
Registered: Jul 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Chris88GT: Question? If there is no dipstick hole, where do you put in tranny fluid. This is where i fill mine and the only other hole is the drain hole. You cant put fluid in that way! |
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the speedo gear has "low" and "high" marks on it, and you fill it through the speed sensor hole. [This message has been edited by buddycraigg (edited 03-20-2006).] IP: Logged |
Fierobsessed
Member Posts: 3926
From: Las Vegas, NV
Registered: Dec 2001
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Finally an idiot's guide to identifying the four manual Fiero transmissions.If it's an automatic, its easy, THM 125-C. IP: Logged |
ducattiman
Member Posts: 671
From: TheNetherlands
Registered: Mar 2003
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really craig a high + for u...very well put and u just cant go wrong with ur post IP: Logged |
2-tone
Member Posts: 592
From: Winchester, KY
Registered: Jan 2002
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some of the very early getregs had an aluminum cover. but it was very flat like the steel cover.------------------
88 coupe 4.9 Izusu 5-speed Rockcrawl chip. True duels.No A/C .KYB GR-2 on all 4 corners Built to run.  IP: Logged |
fieroman_5000
Member Posts: 1407
From: Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Registered: Oct 2001
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Hmm...so if I have the Getrag the reverse light switch is in/on the tranny, right? So that means I can't easily route a manual 'override' switch for it in the cabin like a 4 spd? Just for those people who drive too 'close' ~Shane IP: Logged |
Joseph Upson
Member Posts: 2652
From: Tampa Florida
Registered: Jan 2002
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So are all of the four speed transmissions Muncie and therefore relatively strong from 1985 up?IP: Logged |
