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Vacuum lines everywhere, please help by Harley95
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I'm trying to figure out where this vacuum hose off the yellow wire goes, it was hooked into the plenum but wasn't supposed to be there, please help.
I have an 88 Formula automatic



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Report this Post07-20-2014 04:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Harley95Send a Private Message to Harley95Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
its on the backside of the transmission near the torque converter
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Report this Post07-20-2014 04:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jimbolayaSend a Private Message to jimbolayaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Boy, look at those big pictures.

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Report this Post07-20-2014 05:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 85 SE VIN 9Send a Private Message to 85 SE VIN 9Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I was gonna say, but then I can't seem to upload anything.

How do you know it's not supposed to connect to the plenum?

Can we see a small picture of where it starts and one of where it ends?

I use a too high resolution camera and edit the bleep out of the image to get it to fit. Try lowering the resolution, use a cell phone, or edit big time. I used to use photosizer, but after a couple crashes and a malware download I'm back to editing.

Oh, BTW, if you didn't know there is an image loader at the bottom of this page called PIP. Download, install, get forum profile, browse for image, get it small enough, upload, then Ctrl-V.

BTW, welcome to the forum!
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Report this Post07-20-2014 05:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

There should be a sticker on the underside of your decklid which shows the vacuum line routing.
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Report this Post07-20-2014 06:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Harley95Send a Private Message to Harley95Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I fixed the image sizes. I only have a sticker for emissions on my deck-lid. the small hose for the plenum was stuffed with a screw, I've got no idea where this one belongs.
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I suspect someone has been quite "inventive" with the vacuum line routing on your engine. What's with that line that's running right alongside your throttle body?

 
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I've got no idea, I'm just trying to figure out where this one goes before I go to work. where should that one along side my throttle body be running to?
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Originally posted by Harley95:

where should that one along side my throttle body be running to?


That's just it, there shouldn't be one located there.

Here's an image of my '88.

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Report this Post07-20-2014 07:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Harley95Send a Private Message to Harley95Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I've got no idea, are you talking about the one I'm holding on the one underneath the air intake?
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Originally posted by Harley95:

...are you talking about the one I'm holding on the one underneath the air intake?


The thin glass/plastic (whatever it's made from) tube running right by the TPS on the TB.

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Report this Post07-20-2014 07:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Harley95Send a Private Message to Harley95Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
My whole engine layout is different

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Originally posted by Harley95:

My whole engine layout is different


Well yeah, some of that is because it's an automatic, you have cruise control, you have headers, the coolant lines to the TB are still in place (unlike mine)... and some of the difference is also because someone was "inventive" with vacuum line routing. I believe there should be no difference in how the vacuum lines were originally routed on Fiero 2.8 engines. That doesn't mean to say that yours are necessarily incorrectly connected, but it's pretty difficult (if not impossible) to tell from looking at your images where your various lines are going to and from.

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I'm just trying to figure out where the one I'm holding goes because its to a valve on the tranmission
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Hopefully someone else here with an automatic will be able to tell you.
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Originally posted by Harley95:

I'm just trying to figure out where the one I'm holding goes because its to a valve on the tranmission


Could it be an oil line?
The factory parts catalogue shows two 7.9 MM hoses routed from the transmission to the oil cooler lines under the car...

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If you study the diagram or trace the lines you'll find they take rather curious routes. Things seem to start on the left side of the plenum and go to the fuel canister via the trunk wall. Your PO may have just taken reasonable shortcuts. I suspect the line you're holding is just the fresh air intake for the EGR solenoid. While it should be connected to the snorkel or air filter housing or a line on the firewall that is, often it is not, with little immediate side effects. I don't know much about Fiero automatics. I didn't know they had a vacuum line. Are you sure it's not connected to the fuel tank? It might be it's supposed to connect to the fuel canister just to the left of your hand. Nice photos.
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Report this Post07-20-2014 08:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Harley95Send a Private Message to Harley95Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have no real Idea, its just coming off a valve at the front of the tranny, just a little bit beside the torque converter
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Report this Post07-20-2014 09:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jimbolayaSend a Private Message to jimbolayaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
My son has a 2.8 with automatic. I'll take a look at it tomorrow, but like Patrick said, if your's are buggered, it's gonna be hard to tell where those hoses go from your picture alone.

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If it indeed coming off the transmission, it would appear to be a 4t60 installed in the car. That hose is coming off the vacuum modulator and needs to connect to a vacuum source. If it not coming off the transmission it is prolly your EVAP line that connects to the EVAP canister. Just my guess.
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Report this Post07-21-2014 01:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Harley95Send a Private Message to Harley95Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
yeah its off the transmission, but should it be plugged into the plenum?
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Report this Post07-21-2014 03:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hiwil88formulaSend a Private Message to hiwil88formulaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The 4t60 requires a vacuum source, either t-off a vacuum line or put a new one in. Can you post a pick of the shifter linkage/transmission so we can confirm? On the bottom of the tranny it might have 4t60 stamped into the pan. Wanna be sure before you get any bad info.
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I finally was able to look at my sons car, and like Patrick said, there is nothing like what you posted pics of. My son has the stock 2.8 with the 3 speed automatic. Sorry.

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Report this Post07-22-2014 11:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PonnariSend a Private Message to PonnariEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Bellow is a vacuum diagram from the Fierostore, thought it might help, sorry I can't post pic's from my phone.

http://www.fierostore.com/Tech/Images%5C363.jpgq

hope this helps!
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Sorry about link, try this one[url=]http://www.fierostore.com/Tech/Default.aspx?Id=363[/url]
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I didn't know FieroStore had metal vac lines, they look much better than dickmans, the Fierostore ones have barbs on the ends of the lines, dickmans don't.
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I didn't know FieroStore had metal vac lines, they look much better than dickmans, the Fierostore ones have barbs on the ends of the lines, dickmans don't.


Dickmans are SS, fierostore plain steel
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I have an 88GT with the original 3-speed and I can say for sure that there is no vacuum line going to the transmission on my car.

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Originally posted by Harley95:

I'm just trying to figure out where the one I'm holding goes because its to a valve on the tranmission


 
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...its just coming off a valve at the front of the tranny, just a little bit beside the torque converter


Take a picture of this "valve" and show us!

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Sorry for the wait, work keeps me out of the garage

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Sorry for the wait, work keeps me out of the garage



Um....WTH
that is not even close to a stock Fiero
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Report this Post07-29-2014 05:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for cyrus88Send a Private Message to cyrus88Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
hiwil88formula hit the nail on the head. That is as 4T60 tranny vacuum modulator valve.

Edited to add:

From this thread: 88 formula 3.4L 4t60 swap started

 
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Originally posted by 86soon3.4:

You need to tap into manifold vacuum. I t'ed into the port right next to the dist. cap on the upper intake plenum.

Steve

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that's interesting, well thank you everybody for helping. next to figure out my cooling issue...

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