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The ONLY thing in common is the COLOR






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I love my Fiero but the C8 has it hands down.

The Fiero styling has held up well but it is showing some age here.

I hope yo have. C8 in the future but it will be sharing a Garage with my Fiero.
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Clem's Fiero is more rare and more valuable to me than that used car it's sitting next to.

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The only C8 in my future is in my dreams.
The C8 shown is owned by a friend of mine that has 13 Vettes.
He owns a taxi cab company.
He drove his 1972 Vette to a car show in Naples that was about 125 miles away and still won Best Of Show.
He drives all of his Corvettes and has put on 1500 miles on the C8 in one month.
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Clem's Fiero is more rare and more valuable to me than that used car it's sitting next to.



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They both have headlight covers....
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The Fiero was and always will be the first American Mid-engined car......And I think it looks better than the (Tonda-Styling) C8....Plus, Fiero's were available with a STICK!!!!
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

They both have headlight covers....


In my case they both have Corvette seats, tail lights and engine but that is as close as it gets,
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Plus, Fiero's were available with a STICK!!!!


Not that I was about to rush out and buy a new Vette... but yeah, that would be a deal killer for me. I really enjoy driving a stick-shift.
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The MCLAREN... oh wait I meant so say ACURA... Dammit I keep messing up I really mean the new Corvette looks like just about every other supercar these days...

Just like every other modern car in general is extremely similar looking because manufacturers are scared to take risks like they used to. Current trends say people love ugly, unpractical for even hauling something as small as a bicycle tiny "SUV" Crossovers.

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Ahh shoot Clem....I thought maybe you bought a daily driver to keep the mileage down on your "good" car....

I'm in agreeance with IMSA and everybody else who indicate the new Vette could easily be the twin to several other "super cars".....BUT other than doing "retro" styling, (which COULD be good..if done the right way), not sure what else could have been done.

I mean look at women, (well...THAT'S a "given"... ), "super models" all sort of look the same don't they? Form follows function...they all have to have some of the same basic features to be what they are....but the variances are in the "details"....in the case of girls...facial features, body proportions, attitude and presentation. In the case of cars...pretty much the same thing....differences are primarily in the details.

As to the new Vette...I wouldn't kick it outa the garage if somebody gave me one....but I really do prefer a clean, well kept Fiero...just a classic...coming and going! Course....I might be a "little" biased...


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For my taste and budget, I like the Fiero better. I can't explain it but there is just something about that small car that has fun written all over it. Perhaps like many others, we build our Fieros to suit our taste and lifestyle. When we take the yearly trip to Fieros at Carlisle, its not just a ride but an adventure.

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Do you have a build thread on the Headlights and Tailights?
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Here is my modification of my previous mod of a C7 (to make it look like a CORVETTE) to a mid-engine proportional design.....(But I still think the car should be lighter/smaller)

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Originally posted by LT188GT:

The only C8 in my future is in my dreams.
The C8 shown is owned by a friend of mine that has 13 Vettes.
He owns a taxi cab company.
He drove his 1972 Vette to a car show in Naples that was about 125 miles away and still won Best Of Show.
He drives all of his Corvettes and has put on 1500 miles on the C8 in one month.


It is good he enjoys them.

Both cars look great.

I just tire of the childish Folks with the this and them stuff. Both are good cars meant to be enjoyed.

Both here appeared to be out being enjoyed as they should be.

I was in a C8 and it is really a well done car. The only thing I was not crazy about was the passenger side. It feels like a side car. But like my Fiero I never sit over there.

Some folks limit their enjoyment by not being open to the great number of great cars out there to be enjoyed.

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Here is my modification of my previous mod of a C7 (to make it look like a CORVETTE) to a mid-engine proportional design.....(But I still think the car should be lighter/smaller)


I don't like it as much as the production one. When I look at front fenders it looks like a smaller older Viper. The rear spoiler and bubble rear window looks South Park to me.

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Not that I was about to rush out and buy a new Vette... but yeah, that would be a deal killer for me. I really enjoy driving a stick-shift.


Correct me if I am wrong but the Vette is a manual. It has a twin clutch system rather than a torque converter. The twin clutch system shifts a manual transmission so fast that it needs no shift lever to slow it down. It is all electronic. The shifting is all electronic not hydraulic. It is technically an automatic but not a typical GM auto trans.
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Do you have a build thread on the Headlights and Tailights?


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Correct me if I am wrong but the Vette is a manual. It has a twin clutch system rather than a torque converter. The twin clutch system shifts a manual transmission so fast that it needs no shift lever to slow it down. It is all electronic. The shifting is all electronic not hydraulic. It is technically an automatic but not a typical GM auto trans.


ALL C8 Vettes have a automatic.
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A) It is a twin clutch but technically an automatic- there is no clutch peddle- you simply select a gear and the computer does the rest for you'

B) Hyper, I like all kinds of cars- I am just frustrated that they did not install a manual, and that it is MUCH heavier than it should be....And I just don't like the styling (Personal taste)

C) Sour.........."South park"....Hmmm (The only SP I ever watched was the Harley thingy- boy do the Harley riders get nailed right on)

I know it is a great car- much faster than the previous, but I just want a Vette to look like a Vette.....
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Yeah, that Harley episode was a good one. I can't tolerate a bunch of them but have watched it some.

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...there is no clutch peddle


True, they aren't peddling a conventional manual transmission.

 
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...you simply select a gear and the computer does the rest for you


Ah, no fun in that. I enjoy the interplay between the gas and clutch pedal, especially from a standing start.
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A) It is a twin clutch but technically an automatic- there is no clutch peddle- you simply select a gear and the computer does the rest for you'

B) Hyper, I like all kinds of cars- I am just frustrated that they did not install a manual, and that it is MUCH heavier than it should be....And I just don't like the styling (Personal taste)

C) Sour.........."South park"....Hmmm (The only SP I ever watched was the Harley thingy- boy do the Harley riders get nailed right on)

I know it is a great car- much faster than the previous, but I just want a Vette to look like a Vette.....



The look is in the eye of the beholder. It looks like a Corvette to me and most others.

As for weight sure they could have used a carbon tub but then you would complain on price.

As for manual sales are down by a ton and few cars even offer it anymore. It was an choice buyers made not GM. Ferrari no longer has a gated shifter either nor do most other world class cars.

It is ok to not like the C8 and there are a ton of older manuals out there for sale if you would like one.
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The look is in the eye of the beholder. It looks like a Corvette to me and most others.

As for weight sure they could have used a carbon tub but then you would complain on price.

As for manual sales are down by a ton and few cars even offer it anymore. It was an choice buyers made not GM. Ferrari no longer has a gated shifter either nor do most other world class cars.

It is ok to not like the C8 and there are a ton of older manuals out there for sale if you would like one.


Yes, I would complain about the price, but; GM has been able to pull off some amazing technology at low prices- The Vette has been kicking Ferrari and Porsche azz for years at half to 1/3 their price.

I completely agree with everything else you said but....it is sad to see manual tranys going away......A major part of the man & machine interface......

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I won't beat the "manual trans" horse any more. Since I've converted two Fieros to manual, I'm sure that most know how I feel.

Corvettes? As far as I'm concerned, the C6 was the most beautiful Corvette I've ever seen. It has (to me) styling cues that resemble the '63.

With that out of the way...
The C8 is a phenomenal piece of work, from what I've seen. I have yet to see one up close and personal, however.
It does look a lot like a (choose the mid-engine supercar of your choice) but I'll be damned if it also doesn't look like a Corvette.

I certainly would enjoy having one in my garage, but not badly enough to start hocking the family jewels, or even starting a new piggy bank.

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I won't beat the "manual trans" horse any more. Since I've converted two Fieros to manual, I'm sure that most know how I feel.

Corvettes? As far as I'm concerned, the C6 was the most beautiful Corvette I've ever seen. It has (to me) styling cues that resemble the '63.

With that out of the way...
The C8 is a phenomenal piece of work, from what I've seen. I have yet to see one up close and personal, however.
It does look a lot like a (choose the mid-engine supercar of your choice) but I'll be damned if it also doesn't look like a Corvette.

I certainly would enjoy having one in my garage, but not badly enough to start hocking the family jewels, or even starting a new piggy bank.



I agree that the C6 is a MUCH better looking car than the 3,5,7,8 But the 1,2 and 4 are great looking cars. The 4 has the closest appearance to the Fiero and even shares parts. But I can't deny the nostalgia of the and muscle of the C1 and C2.
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Just my own opinion but the Fast Back Fiero GT design is so clean and smooth it is just a timeless classic shape. Look how small it is in comparison to the Vette! The Vette has the angular lines and big grilles that is common on alot of newer cars. Not a bad thing but not as outstanding as the Fiero GT in my opinion. The Fiero GT looks like nothing else and that's what I really love about it.
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The big grills on these hi-po sports cars aren't a styling exercise. When you start getting over 500 in an internal combustion engine you are generating massive amounts of heat and you need significant amounts of external airflow to prevent the car from overheating. (Google C7 Z06 overheating issues)
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Correct me if I am wrong but the Vette is a manual. It has a twin clutch system rather than a torque converter. The twin clutch system shifts a manual transmission so fast that it needs no shift lever to slow it down. It is all electronic. The shifting is all electronic not hydraulic. It is technically an automatic but not a typical GM auto trans.


It's true you could call the twin clutch a manual that is shifted by a computer rather than a human. But the way it's implemented it's fully automatic. GM could have given you a stick and clutch pedal and let you pretend to shift it but the push buttons just reinforce this is an automatic.

Even with the paddles I would bet money the computer will override any attempt to do something stupid that would hurt the transmission or engine. I hear that even some manuals nowadays will prevent the engine from stalling or restart if you do stall it. Hard to find a car that truly is manual.

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It took sometime but I finally drove this car the other day and I can sum it up in just one word---WOW

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I prefer the style of my 1988 Fiero GT over the C8. The c8 weighs 800 pounds more and is almost 2 feet longer than the 88. It's hard to believe, but the C8 is about 8 inches longer than the C7.
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The C8 is awesome.

While automatics have come a long way, and offer quicker acceleration, there is just something about the man/machine connection and enjoyment from rowing your own gears. Saying that, after driving the power tour (3K mile road trip in 6 days) I normally walk with a limp for a few days as my left foot and knee will be in pain, but it is a good pain!

I have one of these in the back window of my LS4/F40 Fiero (I also have the t-shirt):


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The owner of the C8 as mentioned has 13 other Corvettes including a ZR1. He said the C8 will out run his manual trans ZR1 up to 60mph but horsepower then takes over.

I do not have a picture but his 1969 big block Camaro would be in my carport before his C8. Yes it is that nice.
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If I found myself wanting (and being able to afford) a C8 I'd have a good talk with myself until I got over it....
Then I'd go an get an Mercedes SL450.
But I'd still keep the Fiero!


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Saying that, after driving the power tour (3K mile road trip in 6 days) I normally walk with a limp for a few days as my left foot and knee will be in pain, but it is a good pain!


That's with the Spec 3+?

I thought I read you saying that it was a streetable clutch... I decided to buy one
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Much like every other Vette, this will become so common that you just wait a couple years and pick one up for 15K used. Let the "new" wear off and it will be just another used car.
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That's with the Spec 3+?

I thought I read you saying that it was a streetable clutch... I decided to buy one


The fiero Spec Stage 3+ has smooth engagement with moderate clutch force needed. It is very streetable.

My LS4/F40 doesn't run a fiero based clutch. It is a 10" Spec Stage 4+ from a different application. This clutch also has smooth engagement, but requires more pedal force than the Fiero stage 3+. It is very drivable (55K miles driven on this setup), but spending 2-4 hrs per day for 6 days in stop/go traffic give a leg a work out that it doesn't see with normal daily driving. The 6+ solid hours per day of walking around the venues on uneven ground doesn't help the left leg either.

My clutch is on the left. Fiero stage 3+ on the right:

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The C8 transmission definitely has a clutch and gears that are selected by sliding collars over splines. It does *NOT* have a torque converter. If you looked at the parts on a bench, you'd 100% call it a manual.

However, it's automated, so it's an automated manual. The development cost of this transmission was as much as BOTH an automatic and conventional manual would have cost to develop. This saves GM production effort, as they have fewer configurations going down the assembly line. GM is trying to lure younger customers from other prestige cars into the Corvette. That means the C8 has to be BETTER than the Porsche Carrera, which is tough. GM's target with the dual clutch transmission was the 7 speed Porsche PDK. The Porsche transmission works very very very very very well. I haven't driven one yet, but I've read the C8 transmission works at least as well. The 0-60 times can attest to how well it launches and shifts.

It doesn't have a clutch pedal, but it will still shift EXACTLY when you pull the paddle.
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Manual or not manual, auto or not auto, all I can say is it shifts in the blink of an eye.

Just think that you got some dust or dirt in your eye and you start blinking real fast to get rid of the dust/dirt--that is how fast it shifts.

I would have never believed that G.M. could build a trans that would shift as fast as it does.
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I would have never believed that G.M. could build a trans that would shift as fast as it does.


In this case, the magazines are saying that the transmssion builder is Tremec, not GM.

Generally speaking, "automated manual" transmissions are no longer bleeding edge tech.

It seems like the sort of project that can be easily completed, as long as sufficient budget and manpower are allocated.
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