I rceda my firoe against anythng that is next to me! Nothing wins. Bwahahahah! Nthngh
No. A V8 in a mid 80's GM vehicle will not out run any 6 Series. Engineering alone trumps GM. There are probably a handful of Fieros that can even sit next to a 6 of any era. Home built bad azzed Fieros.
Like others have stated- a lot of variables; Which version of 6 series...and which V8?
You could put an old cast-iron SB in a Fiero, adding 200 lbs to the rear and only getting 200 HP, total.......That would not perform much better than a stock V6.
You can install an LS7 which only weighs 20-30 lbs more than the 2.8 V6.....2800 lbs X 500 hp...Properly set up and driven, that will beat the crap out of many supercars....
The best V8 conversion is probably the LS4, which is the transverse LS V8...Bolts right to a Fiero trany, weighs approx' 20 lbs more than the V6, and has (Stock) 305 hp
The C7 Vette weighs 3700 lbs (Idiotic) and has 455 hp for 8.1 lb/Hp.....a 2700 lb Fiero would equal that at 330 hp....
Critical to this situation; How is the engine/tans/Suspension set up? Do it right and you have an amazing and fun car- do it wrong and you have a dangerous......pile.....
Simple question... the simple answer is: Yes... with enough time, money, and determination just about anything is possible. It is fairly simple to build a fiero to perform well on any specific metric...
The super hard part is having a Fiero outperform any late model performance car on multiple metrics with the same level of refinement, balance, and driver ease. You will have to go through every single system (engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, wheels/tires) and focus on NVH (Noise, Vibration & Harshness) as much as you focus on performance. To do this, you will likely spend 2-3X more than you can buy whatever car you are benchmarking against.
Mr. Guru- well said....But, I have to say that new cars are becoming too refined; They are getting to a point where you might as well be driving a video game- Not much skill is involved when you have a swarm of computers controlling everything...Heck, the new Vette doesn't even have a manual trans available!
A couple of young kids have asked me about my car recently- they see multiple Mustangs/Camaros/Chargers w/400HP+ and ask about my performance...with only 160 hp and skinny tires (205/225) my Fiero's performance is not up there, numbers wise...and there is very little refinement.
But I can dice on a windy back road and have a lot of fun at 30-50 mph....I tell these kids about that....don't know if I am getting thru to them tho.....
I don't see the point in modifying for NVH and refinement in addition to power and grip.
For me, the attraction of the Fiero is that it's a simple, raw, loud, and unrefined car, without power steering or driving aids (other than power brakes). Modifying for power and grip only gives a combination that cannot be purchased in the showroom.
If you want the full array of modern-car characteristics, just buy a modern car.
And the big kahuna M6 does 0-60 in 3.6 seconds....
Best 0-60 I can find for the M6 is 3.8 with 12 sec quater.. so 3.6 is in the ball park. Just keep in mind when you look at a 10 -11 second Fiero they are doing the same or better in the 0-60 times. I do not even want to talk about the 9 second fieros 0-60 times.
Any car can be made to go fast. Nothing unique or special about the Fiero in this regard... You can take a Honda Civic or Ford Pinto and stuff a big engine in it and make it fly
The comparison is apples to oranges. Probably not worth much of a discussion. Plus the BMW can also be further modified than factory stock....
I worked NVH for Ford on several Job1 builds back in the late 1990's. Everyone that has been in my 1987 GT will tell you she is squeak and rattle free. And no, she will not out run a M6.
My fiero is 3000 pounds. Built sbc. 2800 stall, 3,42 gears, vet brakes ( so I can stall it and stop) It should be 400 hp. I can take off in any gear with the paddle shifter. I would not want to go that fast on the top end. But it realy gets out of the hole good. The time for my fiero in the drag times is a old time, years ago. The set up it has now is much better then that.
My buddy got a "Great deal" on a 2011 328....The battery died so he replaced it........Then he started getting all kinds of trouble codes and problems......Turns out, if you change the battery on newer Bummers, you have to go to the dealer and have them use a special module to tell the computer which battery you installed......The battery only cost $120....The visit to the dealer cost $350........ID-E-OT- ICK!
The germans love complication- it makes them look......So....Fist....EE......Kate.....Ted.........(I don't think the germans can SPELL the acronym K.I.S.S.)
Or he could have got the BMW equivalent of HP tuners and reset the codes himself. Or maybe the 15$ bluetooth OBD2 interface and an android tablet will work, I have never tried mine on anything other than my Fiero. There is a reason that old German cars are really cheap: most people end up paying a fortune for dealer service.
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I had another friend who was constantly buying cars at auctions and fixing them then selling them- I told him- Number one thing; "Do not buy any luxury cars that are older than 10 years old- Maintenance/parts cost will KILL you"......a few years later we were talking and he stated- "You were right- NEVER buy 10 year old luxury cars!"
I've owned plenty of "10 year old luxury cars" with little to no problems. The best were Lincoln, Chrysler and Lexus. The worst were Northstar powered Cadillac and anything European.
