Hello all i have finally started to work on the fiero again. It all started with this vision of a twin turbo v6 rear engine beast. Now i know some of you say that's over kill, i actually agree, that's why im building it. This is what the car started out looking like.
And this is where it is now. The interior is almost complete. Only have the center console to finish. I will update as the progress moves along.
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Well apparently the pictures got mixed up, i really hate the internet. Its started out as a tan interior car, it is now black and red. Here is another pic.
Edit. I figured it out, threads are worthless with out pictures.
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I'm looking forward to watching how this progresses.
You should use PIP (Pennock's Image Poster - located at the bottom of the page) for posting all images. Better than people having to follow links, plus no risk of the pics suddenly disappearing later on.
The next thing I am moving on to is the suspension and brakes. Are the 88 rear adjustable trailing arms really make a huge difference or should I stay with the stock rear trailing arms and add Polyurethane bushings. In the front I am going to change everything over to the Polyurethane on everything, new sway bar end links, new tie rod ends, and new ball joints. To add to the suspension I am going to do coilovers on all four corners with the koni yellow shocks and 400lb springs in the front and 300lb in the rear. Then I am going to take stock 88 front sway bar, move it to the back and buy an aftermarket sway far for the front.
For brakes, I'm kind of torn, are the stock calipers really not that great. I was thinking about doing the stock calipers all around but adding EBC yellow pads and cross drilled and hatched stock size rotors and stainless steal brake lines. This unit already has the over sized brake master and booster.
I will be doing new rear bearing hub assembly and possibly the front drop hubs.
What do you guys recommend I do different or what is a better set up.
Originally posted by 1fstfiero: Then I am going to take stock 88 front sway bar, move it to the back and buy an aftermarket sway far for the front.
That's an 84-87 mod, not an 88 thing.
88 Formula and 88 GT Fieros were equipped from the factory with rear sway bars. Try to grab one of those factory setups, or look at photos and try duplicating that yourself.
One of the lateral links (not a trailing arm) in the 88 rear already has a turnbuckle for length adjustment; I would think that the factory setup would give you the necessary adjustments to perform an alignment.
EBC pads is a good idea. SS brake hoses are questionable, I would prefer to install new rubber hoses. I would stick with 88 calipers and rotors, then if you're not satisfied, change to something else. They're already considered "big-brakes" compared to the 84-87 brakes, so you may not need more.
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Coilovers on front will require new or modified lower control arms. The stock control arms shock mounting points are not able to handle the spring pressure. The stock suspension is actually really good, on both ends of the car. Fieroguru has done a lot of modeling and has developed 88 specific parts to improve handling, especially when lowering the car. Your spring rate selection is awfully high unless it is specifically destined for track use. Corvette rotors/88 callers is a good upgrade over the stock sized rotors, especially if you are going with larger diameter rims and wide low profile tires. The addition of a rear bar is a great upgrade. I'm not aware of any aftermarket bars for the 88. You will want to find a stock 88 rear bar. Good luck with your project.
GMs approach to handling for years was to stiffen and prevent roll, while the European designers paid more attention to good suspension geometry throughout suspension travel and kept the spring rates soft, allowing body roll. Neither was totally correct, we now see a combination of both philosophies, and the addition of variable rate damping. As long as the car is balanced, handling will be good.
I agree with you about the picture posting, where is this PIP you speak of. I don't see it.
Look for the small red and blue rectangle at the bottom / middle of the page (just above the copyright). Click on it, install PIP and follow the directions.
Thank you everyone for the replies. The reason for the high spring rate in the front is for track use. I want the springs to transfer the weight to the rear at acceleration and absorb weight when stopping. I just realized I can not do coil overs in the front, I was kind of thinking about that when I couldn't find anything on them. I want to lower the car a little bit maybe 1.5 inches, I'm thinking the west coast fiero coil over kit may be best.
For the rear I can not find an aftermarket sway bars, that's why I thought people said they use the 88 front on the rear and buy an aftermarket for the front. If that is not the case, I will try and find an 88 rear sway bar. There really are not to many intermediate suspension mods for these cars, what I mean by that is there are full track set ups and full street set ups, what's in between, stock? I want to make this car fun on the track but also street able.
The street tire set up in the rear will be a 10 1/2 wide by 19 or 20, The reason for such a wide tire is I want to do either the IMSA kit or the V8 Archie wide body. I am torn between the two, the big factor here is do I really need to spend 5k on a body kit, probably not. For the front I will do 1 size smaller compared to witch ever rear I choose. The tires will be R888s all around.
Transmission is going to be an f23, this unit is already purchased.
Engine is a 2001 L36, this engine will be 100% built, not an inch untouched. The reason I went L36 is because I'm going to rebuilt with forged parts anyways and not use the supercharger, so why buy extra parts I don't need. Exact details on the engine are still up in the air based on I do not know what exact parts I want to use yet. Which turbos are really the hold up.
Again thank you all for the input, I will add pictures (the right way) as I stock to move forward. All of you here are great help and very knowledgeable, I have learned a lot learking around here. Not like other car forums I am a part of.
Rodney Dickmans Zero lash end links for front Afco Swag tubes for Fierogurus DIY trailing arms QA-1 rod ends Poly Sway bar bushings for the front Prothane front a arm bushings All new rubber brake lines Cross drilled Rotors for all for corners EBC yellow brake pads New Front Calipers Referb Rear Calipers
And now I'm poor.
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I have finished purchasing the suspension components.
KYB GR2 rear struts Allstar 7" 2.5" coil over sleeve kit PRO MOD 10" 350Lb rear springs KYB GR2 front struts West Coast Fiero front lowering 400lb springs 88 GT Rear Sway Bar Rodney Dickman Upper Ball Joints New Lower Ball Joints New Outter Tie Rod ends
That should be the whole suspension, did I miss anything within the two lists? I will post pictures of everything once it all arrives.
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A few more updates on this build. Pics will follow.
Parts Purchased
ZZP 4340 H Beam Rods LS7 Lifters ZZP 1.65 Rockers Crow 150lb Valve Springs ZZP head gasket ARP Head Studs ARP main Studs ZZP Machined Oil Pump Cover ZZP oil pump kit ZZP Oil pump gears Rollmaster Double chain timing set LS7 MAF Holden Intake ZZP Billet Fuel Rails 150Lb Deutch injectors AEM 340lph Fuel Pump ZZP high Flow fuel filter Clevite Main Bearings Clevite Cam Bearings Clevite Rod Bearings ZZP 7.25 push Rods 180* Thermostat ZZP Oil Breather Gibec Custom Forged Pistons West Coast Fiero Adjustable Upper control arms High Flow Water Pump AC delete bracket Full Regasket kit MAZE intake spacer Original DGP IMSA widebody kit XS power Intercooler Aeromotive Fuel regulator Flocking material for the dash and headliner Front Main Seal Extra think Front timing cover gasket Rear main seal
Parts left to buy
Turbos Valves Holley EFI stand alone ECU CAM Turbo parts, blow offs, Wastegates,piping, Exhaust Trans cooler Oil Cooler Aluminum Underbelly pans Wheels Tires Quafie LSD Short Shifter Red Flocking material for door inserts Rodney Dickman Rear Sway bar zero lash endlinks Fiero Guru rear lateral link boxes Fiero Guru Clutch line connector Flywheel Clutch Valve Spring Retainers 2 bar MAP Sensor
I feel like i have forgotten a few items. i have written it all down in my build book. If i did forget something i will update this once i reach that book. Look forward to pictures to come.
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