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84 Indy Overheating while parked by TheIronDuke84
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Report this Post03-08-2017 09:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TheIronDuke84Send a Private Message to TheIronDuke84Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Full disclosure, this car sat for awhile before I purchased it. It came with old gas,no air filter, no battery, half the electrics aren't working. I've added sea foam to the throttle body and gas tank. Filled the gas tank up, put in a new battery and K&N air filter. Last night was the longest I've been able to run it, and that's right after I added the gasoline to the tank. The car ran for about 30 minutes before the coolant began to boil. I don't think the fan was on,that's one of those electrical items that's not working. Would that do it? Or would be thermostat be to blame?
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Report this Post03-08-2017 10:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for USMUCLSend a Private Message to USMUCLEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Both -- you should make sure the thermostat is not stuck closed preventing coolant flow from the radiator to the engine. If it is stuck closed, you could pull it out and run the car temporarily without it just to ensure the coolant system is up to snuff -- this will keep the car too cold while driving but should have no effect at idle. In the meantime, order a Stant Superstat.

Once that is done, you should make sure the fan is kicking on about approximately 235 degrees. If the coolant gauge is not working (or you think it extremely inaccurate), and you want to make sure the car is operationally sound before addressing the gauge, get a cheap laser thermostat gun from Lowes. Point it at the thermostat housing on top the engine. When it reads about 235 (depending on the accuracy of the laser and exactly where you point it), the fan should kick on, then cut out when the temp gets down to about 225.

If the fan ain't working, then the real diagnosis begins . . . .
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Report this Post03-08-2017 12:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
To start.... See my Cave, Coolant Fill Radiator Caps and Rad Fan

30 minutes w/o air flow thru radiator could overheat the engine but have to check everything.
Example: iffy rad cap can lower coolant boiling point.

"Bumping" "Burping" is a famous myth. Use direction in my cave and ignore air in the system. The System will remove all air over time when all parts including overflow tank are good.

Do Not use 50/50 mix. No point now. Just use water to find what's wrong then flush, drain pipes and rad, then fill.
After flush first use 2 gal straight coolant and rest w/ water per my cave

If fan resistor is broken just move 1 wire to bypass it.

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Report this Post03-08-2017 05:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TheIronDuke84Send a Private Message to TheIronDuke84Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
USMUCL and OGRE, thank you gentlemen very much for your advice. All that sounds logical and I'll give it a shot this weekend and let y'all know how it works out for me and what I find. Thanks again!!

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Report this Post03-09-2017 12:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TheIronDuke84Send a Private Message to TheIronDuke84Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So I got a little time to check out the Indy tonight. The thermostat removal trick, had already been done on the iron duke and there is not one in place, so I'll have to get a superstat regardless. The temperature gauge on the dash does indeed appear to work and be fairly accurate, as the car did indeed get to temp, no fan kicked in and she slowly began to boil and I shut her off. So I'll flush the system, for good measure, change the thermostat and track down the source of my non engaging radiator fan. Thanks again fellas, I'll keep you posted.
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Report this Post03-09-2017 02:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for liv4GodSend a Private Message to liv4GodEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
A common reason the fan doesn't come on is a bad fan switch. At least I had that issue on all three of my Fieros. That would be the first thing I check if my fan doesn't come on. Also, I would recommend switching to a low temp fan switch and thermostat, especially if you need a new thermostat and possibly new fan switch anyway. I have never even thought about my cars overheating since I did so. If the fan switch is working, the radiator fan relay also goes bad after much sitting. So check that too. And while you are working on the cooling system I would highly recommend replacing both the radiator cap and the thermostat housing cap. After sitting the rubber seals tend to go bad, even if they look ok.
Good luck I hope you can get that Indy back on the road soon!
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Originally posted by TheIronDuke84:

The thermostat removal trick, had already been done on the iron duke and there is not one in place...


Yeah, removing the thermostat is often what someone who knows nothing about cooling systems does when their car starts to overheat. Make sure the coolant reservoir by the rad is connected, doesn't leak, and is filled to the proper level... and check that the stainless steel coolant tubes that run along the underside of the rockers on both sides of the car haven't been dented in by misplaced jacks.

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Report this Post03-09-2017 12:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Look for crush pipe(s) etc too. read rest of cave section.

If filled w/ water or sitting for years... rad and heater may have problem you can't see easy or flushed out.

DIY flushing often is worthless and more so cars that sit.
Flushing may remove crap keeping coolant in the system. That case likely need a new rad and/or heater core.
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Report this Post03-12-2017 04:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TheIronDuke84Send a Private Message to TheIronDuke84Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
got a chance to work on the Indy this weekend and it is no longer overheating. That's not to say I've completely resolved the issue but, I've narrowed it down substantially. I ran a wire from the positive post on the battery to the radiator fan, connected it once she neared 220, she cooled down and I repeated the process over and over. It's a two speed fan, I didn't know that until I got into it. I'll replace the fan relay and switch, as well as the thermostat and the gaskets and lids y'all mentioned. Also, noticed the cap on the fill tank is cracked so I'll change that too.

Looking over the car, the electrical is in a sorry state. Lots of cut wires, taped off, unplugged connectors, lights and gauges that don't work.....I've got a lot of work ahead of me with this one.
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Report this Post03-16-2017 06:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for liv4GodSend a Private Message to liv4GodEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Glad to see you found the problem and are getting this car going again. Indys are great and I hope to see another one on the road again! Good luck 👍
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