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N.O.S. - Reproduction - Quality Used - Hell, I don't care, a part is a part..... by Thunderstruck GT
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What parts do you buy for your car?
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In order of preference:
Authentic Fiero (almost always used then of course) but don't usually care what year... *
AC Delco preferred if I have to buy 'wear' items, but not if other brands are good quality & cheaper enough...
Reproductions if necessary, and very grateful for the availability!

*For my '84 SE's 30th birthday, I got excellent condition seats from a local yard advertising an '85.
When I got there, the seats were the brown striped cloth exclusive to '84 SE. $30 each + professional cleaning ($50?)
The car actually was an '84 - verified by other items & the VIN. Got the dash for $70 & some other parts. Happy day!

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NOS if I can find it.

Repo if I can't find it NOS

Used if I can't find it in either above.

One extra rule Repo if they made it better than the original because of a factory flaw.
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Originally posted by hyperv6:

NOS if I can find it.

Repo if I can't find it NOS

Used if I can't find it in either above.

One extra rule Repo if they made it better than the original because of a factory flaw.


Other than service parts, what is out in the market that is better than OEM?
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Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:


Other than service parts, what is out in the market that is better than OEM?


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Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:

What parts do you buy for your car?


The ones I need, whether to repair something, modify it, or to prepare for a longer term project for building the car I want.

So far I've bought quite a lot of parts for my car, which comprises a very lengthy and expensive list.
Here's a few non-GM/Delco manufacturers I've collected parts from for my build:

Callies
Lunati
Harland Sharp
Isky
Del West
Black Cat Customs
Showa (Honda NSX/S2000 steering rack)
Champion Radiator
Comp Cams
Wiseco
ARP

That's ignoring all the things already on the car, and stuff from other GM vehicles that will be swapped in. And there will be plenty more added to the list in the future.
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Rodney Dickman


Beat me to it. Rodney is the FIRST place I look for anything. If Rodney doesn't have it, THEN I start looking elsewhere. I'm talking about ANY part.
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Who ever is cheapest, sorry on a fixed income now and parts prices for NOS and Delco, are in outer space. But then my Fiero is a Daily summer driver, if we ain't getting animal feed, 7 or 800 lbs at a time we drive the Fiero, Hey it gets a lot better ,mileage than ether of our 4x4 trucks.

Now if money was no object or I was restoring something for shows it would be,

NOS, Delco, NAPA best quality parts, but the world is not the same for everyone.

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

Who ever is cheapest, sorry on a fixed income now and parts prices for NOS and Delco, are in outer space. But then my Fiero is a Daily summer driver, if we ain't getting animal feed, 7 or 800 lbs at a time we drive the Fiero, Hey it gets a lot better ,mileage than ether of our 4x4 trucks.

Now if money was no object or I was restoring something for shows it would be,

NOS, Delco, NAPA best quality parts, but the world is not the same for everyone.

Steve



I've played the "whatever's cheapest" game plenty of times in the past, and sometimes I win, most of the time I lose. Usually buying "whatever's cheapest" costs MORE money once you have to go buy the same part a few times after it fails, and then finally spend the money you SHOULD have spent in the first place to buy the quality part that you would only have had to buy once.
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Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:


Other than service parts, what is out in the market that is better than OEM?


Rodney and even the Fiero Store has offered Repo parts that address the failings of the OE parts. Not a lot of them but enough that it makes a difference if you have one of the bad OE ones like the V6 EGR tubes etc.
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I worked at a parts store on and off for over 4 years before I became an Automotive Engineer. Still have my ASE Certification after renewing it last year. Part quality varies WILDLY. I used to go to 5 parts stores in town to get parts to work on different cars, because I knew who had the best parts of a particular type, and the best prices. Certain brake and suspension parts are downright dangerous. Where I buy the parts, depends what I need.

The problem with some NOS parts now is, the rubber is too old, the plastic gets brittle over time, the glue softens u and deteriorates, etc.
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I'll go out of my way to aquire an NOS or used GM/Pontiac part over an aftermarket or repop part because I have an American Pontiac not a Taiwan one.
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Depending on what is is, I'd rather go the wreckers and get an original OEM part in good used condition than a brand new aftermarket replacement. Front '88 wheel bearings/hubs are a good example of that.

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Back in my antique Harley days 45 WL's were pulling $12,500.00 tops when restored with high quality repop parts.

I got $18,000.00 for my 1942 45 WL because I went out of my way to use original and NOS parts. Did it cost me more to build? Yes! But nowhere near the $5500.00 difference and while other seller sat on their's for quite awhile, mine sold FAST!.

Making it right makes a difference no matter what it is.
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In the replacement after market there are many now that specialize in replacement parts and not only are they equal the quality but often improve the part.

Case in point The plastic 3.8 Intakes from GM crack. Dorman makes a replacement that takes care of this. In fact Dorman makes many parts the MFG no longer make too. Many times these are better than any junk yard part.

Lets face it unless you have had an accident many times you are replacing a part because there was a failure. Also in the era we are working GM did not always have things sorted out and often used the lowest bidder.

Same at Ford. Dorman does the same for their parts as does Brodix. They make V6 heads that will not warp or crack for the Taurus.

Napa also makes things many MFG will not supply. I had a GM wiper motor with a delay. It has a short and would wipe and stop when ever it felt like on or off. GM wanted big bucks for wiper motor. NAPA had the part that needed replace. A small board that I could change on the car for $15 in place of $179 from GM.

Like stated above you need to know what you are dealing with and were to go. Stop worrying about who made it and where and just worry about the quality. The fact is part from China are all junk is a myth as is all parts made here are perfect. You get good and bad from all places and just need to focus in the parts themselves.

In fact things like Rotors etc. it is difficult to get them from America anymore for most cars.

Parts are now coming from all over. Not only America and Asia but India, Australia, England, South America, Mexico, Canada etc.

Generally the one thing to watch is if you are getting a really good deal there may be a reason. Check the part well.
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Same here

 
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Originally posted by hyperv6:

NOS if I can find it.

Repo if I can't find it NOS

Used if I can't find it in either above.

One extra rule Repo if they made it better than the original because of a factory flaw.


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Depends on the part. Most regular maintenance items I buy over the counter parts. I'm not looking for NOS or reproduction light bulbs, tires, shocks, etc.
Last time I did brakes, I used NOS loaded calipers because I could find them.
That said, if Rodney Dickman sells it, he's my first choice regardless of the part. Some of the Rodney Dickman parts on my car:
*Ball joints, upper and lower
*Shift cable.
*Shifter rebuilt kit
*Sport OEM shifter
*Slave cylinder
*Tie rods
I'm sure I've forgetting a bunch. Short answer, if it weren't for Rodney, my car wouldn't have lasted as long as it has.

If he sells it, it's the best quality you're likely to find. The only exception would be if you could find NOS '88 front wheel hubs. I'd still take his parts of used ones, though.
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In some cases the OEM parts are better and in other cases the reproductions are better. For instance lets take the repro dew wipes sold by seajai. His are IMO better than old OEM stock and cost less.. The are made of fresh rubber, and the form fit and function are exactly like the originals. Even a show car expert could not tell the difference. Same with Moog suspension parts. Now in the case of the quarter windows sold by Chris Cook they are good but not exactly like the OEM windows and you won't fool a car show judge with them.
It all depends on the part and who makes it.

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

In some cases the OEM parts are better and in other cases the reproductions are better. For instance lets take the repro dew wipes sold by seajai. His are IMO better than old OEM stock and cost less.. The are made of fresh rubber, and the form fit and function are exactly like the originals. Even a show car expert could not tell the difference. Same with Moog suspension parts. Now in the case of the quarter windows sold by Chris Cook they are good but not exactly like the OEM windows and you won't fool a car show judge with them.
It all depends on the part and who makes it.



That's good to know about the weatherstrips.
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I've played the "whatever's cheapest" game plenty of times in the past, and sometimes I win, most of the time I lose. Usually buying "whatever's cheapest" costs MORE money once you have to go buy the same part a few times after it fails, and then finally spend the money you SHOULD have spent in the first place to buy the quality part that you would only have had to buy once.




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Everything I bought from Rodney, was top quality...and will continue to purchase / support his company.

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Must also agree on Rodney as a source of quality parts. His steering rack bushing and lift strut sets are particularly good.
Fiero Store is another top notch source on most repro parts. Ordered the Fiero Store GT door moldings and for $18.95 ea they fit exactly like stock.

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Rodney's ball joints are top notch. I couldn't recommend them enough.
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

Who ever is cheapest, sorry on a fixed income now and parts prices for NOS and Delco, are in outer space. But then my Fiero is a Daily summer driver, if we ain't getting animal feed, 7 or 800 lbs at a time we drive the Fiero, Hey it gets a lot better ,mileage than ether of our 4x4 trucks.

Now if money was no object or I was restoring something for shows it would be,

NOS, Delco, NAPA best quality parts, but the world is not the same for everyone.

Steve



I can understand your low budget. It probably works ok. However, regardless of budget, you should never "cheap out" when it comes to critical suspension parts like ball joints and tie rods.
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