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As some of you know, I'm working on a Lamborghini Aventador replica. I have reached the point where I really need the tires, rims and widetrack suspension. Here's the link: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/134807.html

This is the rim that comes stock:



Since a used set runs around $5K+ (not including tires...), I'm going to have to aim for something a little bit more realistic with respect to price. The second factor right now is that I'm planning on sticking with the stock Fiero bolt pattern (5x100) which of course limits rim choice. I will be installing larger brakes at a later date. With the widetrack (Arraut Motorsports), there won't be any fitment issues with the widths of the rims

The stock Aventador tires are:
Front: 255 / 35 ZR 19 (rims 9" wide)
Rear: 335 / 30 ZR 20 (rims 12" wide)

Questions:

1) I am looking for a good source of rims (preferably online) that carries a good range of 5x100 rims, at a decent price. I've tried a bunch that I found with a Google search, but wasn't impressed with any of them.

2) I think I could get away with rim widths of 8-9" (19-20" diameter) for the front (assume power steering), but 12" rear rims with 20" diameter may be very hard to find, especially with that bolt pattern. What width do you guys think I should aim for in the rear?

3) Style suggestions?

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Nice project and I look forward to seeing the finished pics.

If the objective was to have an accurate representation and I was building a replica of a $300k super exotic car though, I'd go to a wheel shop and get me some rims ordered in person. That way I could have the measurements taken right from off the car in order to get the offsets and widths perfectly right for that particular car.

If the final product is to be finished to a high standard, the cost of wheels would be money well spent. Style is subjective.

Just sayin'.

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Originally posted by I FAR I:

Nice project and I look forward to seeing the finished pics.

If the objective was to have an accurate representation and I was building a replica of a $300k super exotic car though, I'd go to a wheel shop and get me some rims ordered in person. That way I could have the measurements taken right from off the car in order to get the offsets and widths perfectly right for that particular car.

If the final product is to be finished to a high standard, the cost of wheels would be money well spent. Style is subjective.

Just sayin'.



Thanks for the reply. Actually my original plan was to get the rims and tires towards the end of the build. However...it is actually very difficult to do a proper job of panel alignment without them in place. I've been doing my best, but I fear the build will suffer if I don't have them in place (sitting with suspension also in place) before I finialize the build. I also figured I would get the suspension sorted out first, but after talking to Arraut Motorsports, they have told me that they will build the suspension based on the measurements taken with the tires/rims. I.e. Tires/rims come first. If I had done a tube frame chassis then this would be a different story.

As for paying $5K+ ($20K new) for rims and $2K+ for tires...I just can't justify that. As I mentioned before, my first and foremost goal is to create a very attractive supercar. I don't need to have identical rims as per the picture above. Actually, there are many pictures of Aventadors with all types of rims. So I'm happy getting other rims as long as they look great.

The other question is rim/tire width. The OEM rims are 19" x 9" in the front, so I plan on getting 19" x (8-9") depending on availability of matching staggered rims for the rear. However, it is tough to find 20"x12" in the 5x100 pattern. Eventually I may upgrade the hubs when I go to the larger brakes. But that is a long way off. Also, do I really want to pay for Pirrelli P-Zeros 335/30/ZR20? They are difficult to find, and cost around $670 each. Maybe it's better to go with a 20"x10" (or 10.5") rims in the rear at a significantly better price. I don't want to throw money at this project if possible. It wouldn't take much to blow the budget. So the question remains, would rims as small as 19"x8" in the front and 19"x10" in the rear detract from the overall look of the car? As the fiirst to respond, I will mark down one vote saying "yes, it would spoil the build". What is the smallest size I can get away with?

I did finally find a site that had a great selection of 5x100 rims, with sizes close to where I think I should be. Unfortunately, the largest for the rear appears to 20"x10.5". I'm hoping that would be "close enough". I found 12 types of rims that may work. (At least they look somewhat decent to me). When I get home I plan on narrowing it down to my favorite 5 types and then I'll post them in this thread for people to "vote" for, and freely make comments. If everyone comes back saying they MUST be 20x12" in the back, then I'd likely have to scrimp and save. I'm hoping not. Maybe someone could photoshop the rear view of an Aventador, showing a 20"x12" car sitting next to a 20"x10" car for a comparison.
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I've narrowed my choices down to the following 6 styles. The fronts are all 19"x8.5" which should be fine. The rears are all 20" diameter widths ranging from 9.5" to 10.5".

I would love people to give me their vote for their favorite out of these 6 (or comments about any of them).


#1) SPM-77 Gloss Black with Machined Face and Undercut wheels by Spec-1®.
19" x 8.5", +15 Offset, 5x100-130 Bolt Patterns, 73.1mm
20" x 10.5", +20 Offset, 5x100-130 Bolt Patterns, 73.1mm




#2) ME3 Satin Black wheels by Mach®.
19" x 8.5", +35 Offset, 5x100 Bolt Pattern, 72.56mm Hub.
20" x 9.5", +40 Offset, 5x100-120.65 Bolt Patterns, 72.56mm Hub




#3) MT2 Satin Black with Machined Face wheels by Mach®.
19" x 8.5", +45 Offset, 5x100 Bolt Pattern, 72.56mm Hub
20" x 10", +25 to +42 Offsets, 5x100-120.65 Bolt Patterns, 72.56mm Hub




#4) MR126 Gloss Black with Milled Accents wheels by Motegi Racing®.
19" x 8.5", +40 Offset, 5x100 Bolt Pattern, 72.6mm Hub
20" x 10", +38 Offset, 5x98-127 Bolt Patterns, 74.1mm Hub




#5) R-THREE Gloss Black with Machined Face wheels by Lexani®.
19" x 8.5", +15 to +45 Offsets, 5x100-130 Bolt Patterns, 74.1-110mm Hubs
20" x 10", +15 to +45 Offsets, 5x100-130 Bolt Patterns, 74.1-110mm Hubs




#6) M580 BESPOKE Matte Black Powdercoated wheels by Avant Garde®.
19" x 8.5", +15 to +35 Offsets, 5x98-130 Bolt Patterns, 76mm Hub
20" x 10", +15 to +40 Offsets, 5x98-130 Bolt Patterns, 76mm Hub

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Here's a Aventador pic with two different rims...10" on the left, 12" on the right for comparison....


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Rim # 4 12's

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Originally posted by LornesGT:

2 and 6


 
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Rim # 4 12's

Danyel



Thanks for the votes Danyel and LornesGT.

Unfortunately I displayed the largest size for all the rims above. There were a few that were 10.5" wide, but most were 10" wide. The issue is the 5x100 bolt pattern. They just don't make them wide enough with that bolt pattern. And I have no intention of using adapters.

On a side note, 19"x8.5" & 20"x10" happens to be the OEM size for the Corvette Z51...so it can't be all bad...
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I have never seen a Fiero with 19 & 20 inch wheels in person but I would think the car looks like nothing but wheel. Are you stretching yours to get a longer wheel base? I give this comment and I love Madcurl's and Archie's build and I think he has 20's. I am staying with 18's max for two reason the first one I already mention and the other is more tire for less of a rough ride.
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Originally posted by LornesGT:

I have never seen a Fiero with 19 & 20 inch wheels in person but I would think the car looks like nothing but wheel. Are you stretching yours to get a longer wheel base? I give this comment and I love Madcurl's and Archie's build and I think he has 20's. I am staying with 18's max for two reason the first one I already mention and the other is more tire for less of a rough ride.


I guess you missed the top of the thread ...my 88 Fiero is in the process of being transformed into an Aventador Replica. I should have added a link to the build thread in the Technical Discussion section. Here's the link: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/134807.html

Does this change your vote at all?
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Wow...209 views and only 2 votes... Did I forget to put deodorant on or something??

(If this was in the OT section of the forum, it would have 2 views and 209 votes by now... )
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none posted
More lip needed
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Originally posted by revin:

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More lip needed


Can you post a pic showering what you mean ? (Any size. ..just want to see what you mean by lip )

Do you know of any good sites that have a decent selection of 5x100 rims?
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Rim #6.............................I've got 18"x9.5 on the rear of my 87 and it has about a two inch lip.
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Rim #6.............................I've got 18"x9.5 on the rear of my 87 and it has about a two inch lip.


That's the one I've been leaning towards. ...of course it's also the most expensive. ...

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Thanks 2.5! ...and thank you to everyone who voted.

#6 it is.

It is actually used on Aventadors, so that works out perfectly.


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That is one sweet looking color on that car!!!! Especially with the flat black rims.
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maybe I should have said more offset?
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Originally posted by revin:

maybe I should have said more offset?


Yes...I figured out what you meant after. I like them with the bigger lip, and I also like the ones that the spokes curve in. I ended up ordering #6, the one shown in the Aventador pic above. Expensive, but I really am excited about them. Exactly the look I wanted. I would have preferred the 12" wide in back, but I'm happy enough with the rims being the same size as the OEM rims for new Corvettes.

Thanks for your input anyway!
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I just put new wheels on my Fiero. I'm running a 19x9 up front and a 20x10 in the rear with a 275 tire on the back, which is a little on the narrower side for a 10 inch wide rim. I think if you put the widest tires you can on a 10 or a 10.5 you will be fine.
Here's a pic for reference.
This images is larger than 153600 bytes. Click to view.

Also just as a side note, my brothers Porsche 911 came with 285's in the back. So anything 285 and up should be fine in my opinion.

Just looked online, you should be able to go 315 on those probably. That's a lot of tire.

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Originally posted by zmcdonal:

I just put new wheels on my Fiero. I'm running a 19x9 up front and a 20x10 in the rear with a 275 tire on the back, which is a little on the narrower side for a 10 inch wide rim. I think if you put the widest tires you can on a 10 or a 10.5 you will be fine.
Here's a pic for reference.
This images is larger than 153600 bytes. Click to view.

Also just as a side note, my brothers Porsche 911 came with 285's in the back. So anything 285 and up should be fine in my opinion.

Just looked online, you should be able to go 315 on those probably. That's a lot of tire.



I was thinking I would be limited at around 285-295. Maybe I'll see if I can squeeze some 305s on there... I've got about 3-4 weeks before I get the rims since they are being custom made. That should give me lots of time to get the right tires selected. Thanks for the pic
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I would have never thought 10 wide would fit so well on a stock car. How far are they protruding and what is the offset? Please lead me to more pictures. My desicion on wheels is worse than picking color of paint.

 
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I just put new wheels on my Fiero. I'm running a 19x9 up front and a 20x10 in the rear with a 275 tire on the back, which is a little on the narrower side for a 10 inch wide rim. I think if you put the widest tires you can on a 10 or a 10.5 you will be fine.
Here's a pic for reference.
This images is larger than 153600 bytes. Click to view.

Also just as a side note, my brothers Porsche 911 came with 285's in the back. So anything 285 and up should be fine in my opinion.

Just looked online, you should be able to go 315 on those probably. That's a lot of tire.



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Originally posted by LornesGT:

I would have never thought 10 wide would fit so well on a stock car. How far are they protruding and what is the offset? Please lead me to more pictures. My desicion on wheels is worse than picking color of paint.



I don't want to pollute Neils88 original thread, but here is a link to my build with lots of pics of the wheel fitment on page 2 and 3
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/094131-2.html

I am not 100% sure if my rear wheels are 10 inches or if they are 9.5. I bought them used off of eBay and the seller listed them as 10 inch, but from everything I have read wheel width is measured from bead to bead, and when I put my ruler across the wheel it looked like it could really go either way, I don't have enough experience to know for sure since they were used. I am leaning towards 10 since that is what the seller advertised them as, and they were taken off of his Corvette. My car has had a hub swap done that changes the bolt pattern to 5x4.75, but I am also not sure if that affects the wheel placement and required offset or not. They are HRE's and HRE is very closed mouth with the measurements even when you buy a new set of wheels from them, so I don't know the offsets. I do know the backspacing measurement, and that is what I went off of before I bought them on eBay. The rears have a 7 inch back spacing (which should be something like a +50mm) and the fronts have a 7 1/4 inch backspace. My fronts are 19x9 which is too wide for the front of a stock bodied fiero, they contact the control arms at full lock.


I am running a 275/30/20 tire in the rear and it BARELY clears my coilover spring adjuster. I can slide that thin wood ruler between the wheel lip/tire and the spring adjuster and that is it, but there is no rubbing and in my opinion the fitment is PERFECT in the rear.

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From the picture above, that wheel is 9.5" wide.
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Personally, I love the look of those 12" fatties.

I would go for the hub swap. Not just to attain 12 inch rears but also to free up options in wheel choice. From my perspective: you're already changing so much, why stop?

That being said, what site did you find those 5x100s? I m in the market for wheels?

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Originally posted by Strappado:

Personally, I love the look of those 12" fatties.

I would go for the hub swap. Not just to attain 12 inch rears but also to free up options in wheel choice. From my perspective: you're already changing so much, why stop?

That being said, what site did you find those 5x100s? I m in the market for wheels?


I ordered the rims from CarID (www.carid.com), custom drilled for 5x100. The M580 Bespoke is very similar to one of the rims used stock for the Aventador, except that they are 12" in the rear...of course they are also about $15K for the rims. Quite a bit more than I paid obviously.
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