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Uh, an oddball question on speakers. Anyone? by pavo_roddy
Started on: 02-07-2014 09:52 PM
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HI all

I've always wondered this, and will finally ask. Let's say you have a 5 inch speaker, and there is room to but a box underneath that speaker, just like a sub and its box. Does the size of the box for that 5 incher, would it matter to create better sound? What size box might you actually need for a 5inch speaker. I bet that last question is also likened to speaker creators as they probably would all have different box sizing.

All I am asking is, if you put a speaker in yur dash with a sealed box underneath wouldn't it sound deeper? What about the life of that speaker?

May have more questions based on replies.

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Report this Post02-07-2014 11:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for IMSA GTClick Here to Email IMSA GTSend a Private Message to IMSA GTEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
With a speaker of that size, you will increase the bass only slighty, but you will get a LOT better kick out of it. If you build a small box for that size of speaker, make sure it is sealed and do not use a paper-coned speaker. The speaker should be a poly-plastic or resin reinforced cone.

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Report this Post02-07-2014 11:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dematrix86gtClick Here to Email dematrix86gtSend a Private Message to dematrix86gtEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Like the ones he just sold me
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Originally posted by dematrix86gt:

Like the ones he just sold me


Actually the speakers I sold you will sound great with or without an enclosure.

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Report this Post02-07-2014 11:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dematrix86gtClick Here to Email dematrix86gtSend a Private Message to dematrix86gtEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I know! had a Audi with that same exact set in it and loved them. Thats why i jumped on those.
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I know! had a Audi with that same exact set in it and loved them. Thats why i jumped on those.


Also I sent you an email.
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Report this Post02-08-2014 12:00 AM Click Here to See the Profile for dematrix86gtClick Here to Email dematrix86gtSend a Private Message to dematrix86gtEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
That is greatly appreciated!!!!. Thank you
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Report this Post02-08-2014 11:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
A sealed speaker box will contain / absorb the "negative sound" coming from the backside of the speaker. This should make the speaker sound louder and clearer, compared to an open-air speaker (which is basically what the Fiero dash speakers are). Although, I'm not sure how much help that will be in a car, which is already acoustically "dirty" to begin with.

Also, if the box is sized correctly, it can amplify the sound, in a small frequency range. The size of the box needed to get the best sound will depend on the electrical characteristics of the speaker, and what part of the frequency range you want to boost. This is commonly done with subwoofer boxes, to boost the deep bass.

With a 5" speaker, I wouldn't worry too much about boosting the bass. But a small sealed box filled with stuffing should make the speaker sound better, as long as you don't make the box too small. And if you're going through the trouble to build speaker boxes, you may want to look into building crossovers too, unless your head unit does that already.

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Report this Post02-08-2014 12:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dobeySend a Private Message to dobeyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
For what it's worth, the amount of enclosure volume needed for a given speaker has very little to do with the size of the speaker cone itself. Different speakers are designed to reproduce different frequency ranges. Cone and magnet size have some effect on what the frequency range of the speaker is, as does the construction of the speaker. A speaker that is designed for free air might not perform as efficiently, if it is put in an enclosure. And a speaker designed for an enclosure won't perform as efficiently when it is in free air.

Most component and 2-way or 3-way automotive speakers are designed for high air volume behind the cone, such as the volume of air inside the door or body of the car. To reproduce mid-range tones accurately, they need this large volume of air. Putting those speakers in an enclosure will result in possibly significant portions of mid-range frequencies in a sound, not getting reproduced by the speaker, and will result in the frequencies you do get out of the speaker, being pushed further toward either end of its response spectrum, depending on the volume of the enclosure. Subwoofers though are designed to produce low end tones, and so an appropriately sized enclosure is required for it to reproduce those tones accurately. The physical size of the enclosure is affected more for subwoofers, simply due to the size variance across them, though a larger subwoofer may require less volume to reproduce the same frequencies as a smaller subwoofer, due to the larger surface area of the cone.

I would generally avoid putting full range speakers inside an enclosure, for automotive use. They are generally designed to be more efficient in free air, and the frequency range they are meant to reproduce, requires a larger volume of air than you're probably going to give them if you put them in an enclosure.
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Report this Post02-08-2014 02:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
To add to what Dobey said above, taking a random speaker and throwing it into an arbitrarily sized box will be a shot in the dark. Chances are it will end up sounding like crap. To do it right, you need a speaker designed for use in a sealed box, and the box needs to be the right size for that speaker. Or at least, it needs to be close to the right size. Sealed boxes aren't as finicky as ported boxes.
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