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85 Fiero GT only notchbacks ??? by fiero2man
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See a 85 Fiero GT on Craigs that is not a Notchback. Is that possible ???? I thought they changed the roof shape on the GT's in 86...comments please....
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Had to have converted it. 84 / 85 only had notchbacks

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Originally posted by fiero2man:

See a 85 Fiero GT on Craigs that is not a Notchback. Is that possible ???? I thought they changed the roof shape on the GT's in 86...comments please....


You are correct, body swap / wrong year listed, frankenstein... etc something isnt right. Link?
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1985 was the only year for the notchback GT as 86 1/2 changed to the fast back.

The 85 GT body was only used in 84 on the pace car and in 86 on the SE models.

Now there were may other options like the notch back with coupe nose in 85 that came with the GT V6 and W6S suspension. So you could get a SE or base sport coupe that had all the GT mechanicals.

I have a SE 2M6 1985 that looks like a SE coupe but I have the GT suspension, engine and interior less the emblems.

Any 84 and 85 is a body swap.

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86-88 had the fastback. 85 you could get a GT, but it was a notchback. Same body style as 84 Indy, 86-87SE.

BTW, there is no "86.5" GT, the GT came out about mid year, and there was only the 86SE at the start of the year.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder:

86-88 had the fastback. 85 you could get a GT, but it was a notchback. Same body style as 84 Indy, 86-87SE.

BTW, there is no "86.5" GT, the GT came out about mid year, and there was only the 86SE at the start of the year.


I had an 86SE with a Duke back in 90. At the time I thought it was pretty common but I haven't seen one equipped quite the same way since. It was Silver/black, 4cyl/5-speed, SE designations on the sails. Luggage rack and no 2m4 or anything on the back

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Originally posted by fiero2man:

See a 85 Fiero GT on Craigs that is not a Notchback. Is that possible ???? I thought they changed the roof shape on the GT's in 86...comments please....

Sounds a lot like this "Fake 84" we were discussing

Consensus was that it was actually an 85 Fierenstien ....probably what you have too.

PS post the Craigslist ad (if it has pics)

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You pay $15K for this one....but you can't test drive it!!! ....But don't worry ...he is willing to take you for a ride.
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This car has to be a fake. How do I forward the Chicago Craigs listing and obnoxious emails sent to me to pennocks. This guy is a scam artist with his rebuilt 85 GT fastback. Replys please.
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Perhaps this one is just a simple misunderstanding

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Originally posted by jaskispyder:

86-88 had the fastback. 85 you could get a GT, but it was a notchback. Same body style as 84 Indy, 86-87SE.

BTW, there is no "86.5" GT, the GT came out about mid year, and there was only the 86SE at the start of the year.


Sorry but 86.5 is also acceptable as it was a mid year intro. It is common to use this to show a car was only a half year model.

Back in the day many of the dealers even listed them as this when new.

Not a big deal but not wrong either.

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Is it not true also that the first 86GT's had the Muncie 4 speed (I test drove one that was for sale) and sometime during the model year were switched the the getrag 5 speed. I always thought they were the 86.5 when the getrag was introduced.
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Originally posted by fiero2man:

This car has to be a fake. How do I forward the Chicago Craigs listing and obnoxious emails sent to me to pennocks. This guy is a scam artist with his rebuilt 85 GT fastback. Replys please.


Highlight the text, right click, select copy, come to PFF, hit reply to topic, place cursor in the text box, right click again, select paste and then push submit reply. It's not really that hard to do.

Watch, I'll do it 5 times right now...

 
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Originally posted by fiero2man:

This car has to be a fake. How do I forward the Chicago Craigs listing and obnoxious emails sent to me to pennocks. This guy is a scam artist with his rebuilt 85 GT fastback. Replys please.
 
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Originally posted by fiero2man:

This car has to be a fake. How do I forward the Chicago Craigs listing and obnoxious emails sent to me to pennocks. This guy is a scam artist with his rebuilt 85 GT fastback. Replys please.
 
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This car has to be a fake. How do I forward the Chicago Craigs listing and obnoxious emails sent to me to pennocks. This guy is a scam artist with his rebuilt 85 GT fastback. Replys please.
 
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This car has to be a fake. How do I forward the Chicago Craigs listing and obnoxious emails sent to me to pennocks. This guy is a scam artist with his rebuilt 85 GT fastback. Replys please.
 
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This car has to be a fake. How do I forward the Chicago Craigs listing and obnoxious emails sent to me to pennocks. This guy is a scam artist with his rebuilt 85 GT fastback. Replys please.

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Originally posted by hyperv6:


Sorry but 86.5 is also acceptable as it was a mid year intro. It is common to use this to show a car was only a half year model.

Back in the day many of the dealers even listed them as this when new.

Not a big deal but not wrong either.


Can you show me an pre 86.5 GT? Using this same logic, I owned an '83.75 Fiero, as it was built in late '83. The 86 GT is just that... no .5. I know people like to say it, because it sounds unique... special, but it isn't... it is just an 86GT.
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Originally posted by Ridgelandbaseball:

Is it not true also that the first 86GT's had the Muncie 4 speed (I test drove one that was for sale) and sometime during the model year were switched the the getrag 5 speed. I always thought they were the 86.5 when the getrag was introduced.


Nope, it was a PR gimmick to say 86.5 GT. Is there an 86.5SE (it could also have the getrag, I believe)?

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Nope, it was a PR gimmick to say 86.5 GT. Is there an 86.5SE (it could also have the getrag, I believe)?


But it is true they switched trannys part way thru from what I understand. Regardless of what they call it. Would you agree.
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But it is true they switched trannys part way thru from what I understand. Regardless of what they call it. Would you agree.


Sorry, I don't agree. There is nothing special about switching trannies... just a different option on the same model of car.
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Sorry, I don't agree. There is nothing special about switching trannies... just a different option on the same model of car.


So you could get a muncie in late 86 -88?
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So you could get a muncie in late 86 -88?


If different tires were selected from another manufacturer during midyear production, would that be an 87.5?
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Trannies, tires, engines, noses, tailpipes, Formula, GT, basecoupe,...

I'm just confirming one transmission stopped being offered, and another one was offered instead. In which case Ridgelandbaseballs statement about transmissions is correct. People may call it "and a half" in error or not.

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I am not sure about 86, as they probably offered both transmissions at one time (due to inventory), but in 87 the 4 speed wasn't offered anymore.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder:

I am not sure about 86, as they probably offered both transmissions at one time (due to inventory), but in 87 the 4 speed wasn't offered anymore.


When refererred to as offered, would that mean on the dealer lot if you found it, or you could choose to order it with either tranny?

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When refererred to as offered, would that men on the dealer lot if you found it, or you could choose to order it with either tranny?

"I am not sure..." Anyone have an '86 V6, 4 speed, built in say.... sept-dec?

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"I am not sure..." Anyone have an '86 V6, 4 speed, built in say.... sept-dec?


I have an 1986 V6 GT sept. it has an 4 speed ...but swapped to 5.7L

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I have an 1986 V6 GT sept. it has an 4 speed ...but swapped to 5.7L



So originally was a 4 speed muncie built in Sept? If so then both trannys were offered last half of 86, ALTHOUGH, you are in Canada, all bets may be off of the car is from up there

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Sorry, I don't agree. There is nothing special about switching trannies... just a different option on the same model of car.


You have every right to disagree but I lived through the time and can relate what was said and stated back then. It was just as I said a common way to show a car as a half year model back then as it is today. In some cases like my 04 GTP they started selling them in March of 2003 but they were what many called early 04 models. There is no hard fast rules here and it is just all in the way the industry tries to relate when a car was released.

You can call it what ever makes you happy. I am not as anal and I can deal with it. LOL!
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Perhaps this one is just a simple misunderstanding

http://greenville.craigslis.../cto/3857805548.html


Hey!! Look!! He has the very special Hot Air Intake setup.

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Hey!! Look!! He has the very special Hot Air Intake setup.


And secondary gauges, and a hacked up '84 decklid, and 86-up GT seats, and I'm sure there's something else to be found if checking it out in person... like a lot of old cars, it's getting harder to find one that's exactly as it left the factory. I won't sweat it.
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And secondary gauges, and a hacked up '84 decklid, and 86-up GT seats, and I'm sure there's something else to be found if checking it out in person... like a lot of old cars, it's getting harder to find one that's exactly as it left the factory. I won't sweat it.


I like how the "body kit" is probably a body off an Indy swapped onto an 86 GT frame.
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I like how the "body kit" is probably a body off an Indy swapped onto an 86 GT frame.


Ohh... God, I hope not. Kind of hoping it's just a Frankenstein build.
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You have every right to disagree but I lived through the time and can relate what was said and stated back then. It was just as I said a common way to show a car as a half year model back then as it is today. In some cases like my 04 GTP they started selling them in March of 2003 but they were what many called early 04 models. There is no hard fast rules here and it is just all in the way the industry tries to relate when a car was released.

You can call it what ever makes you happy. I am not as anal and I can deal with it. LOL!


It is not about being anal, it is about being correct. I also lived through that time and it was just a PR comment, nothing more.

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I'm betting Danyel's 86GT was built in September of '85. Model years changed around June or July, didn't they? So they wouldn't have made an '86 in September of the '87 model year. I have an 86 (1/2) SE with the Getrag and there's nothing on the title that indicates '86.5. We also own an 86GT and it's also titled as just a plain '86. That description probably came about to identify those with the Getrag, but interestingly enough like Jaskispyder questioned, that it's only been applied to the GT.

The 86 model year is somewhat unique in that it was the only year that all forms of transmissions were offered. 4-speed, 5-speed Isuzu, 5-speed Getrag, and THM125 automatic.
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Ohh... God, I hope not. Kind of hoping it's just a Frankenstein build.


Well, I'm guessing Indy because of the decklid.
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Well, I'm guessing Indy because of the decklid.


An Indy would have had a factory spoiler on it though. I think it's a normal 84 lid.
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An Indy would have had a factory spoiler on it though. I think it's a normal 84 lid.


Sure, and an 86 GT would have been a fastback. The ad's gone now though, so I can't look at it again and see if it has the 84 blanks, or the 85+ vents on the sides. But the car obviously had body work, so it's certainly possible that whoever did it, didn't like the wing, and left it off, filling in the holes.

There are a large number of possibilities for what could have been done to that car. I just think it is amusing, and apropos to these sorts of threads, if it was a body off an Indy.
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