Oh, by the way, thanks for sending the $1000 you promised four months ago. NOT! It was nice to get an email from you saying you would send the money and extra kit parts as soon as your car sold on eBay (which it did), then seeing you turn around and spend my $1000 on another Fiero. I see why you didn't answer another emails after that. Care to answer that one on the forum? I thought not.
You have proven to be dishonest person, a poor car builder, and one who reacts to buyer's complaints with physical threats and name-calling. In my opinion, you had to sell your business because of substandard build-quality and a lack of integrity. The best way you can help the friend who bought the GT40 body molds is to leave him alone.
I guess this means you will not be sending the $1000? ...like it mattered...
I put your emails below: March 17: Hi Andrew, I'm sorry that you still don't consider the car to have been a good buy and I'm doing better now than I was over the last 6 months so I would like to give you back $1000 like you mentioned. This last year hasn't been so good as some unexpected expenses came up and I almost lost my house. I've almost given up on working with Fieros, I've sold my business to a friend and now I pretty much just help him sometimes and then sell his cars for him on ebay. I'm not aware of anything that you've said about me on Fiero Forum. I never really have time to spend on there but I'll take your word for it that you haven't had anything good on there to say about me and I would like to change that. V8 Archie told me when I started building your car that if he were to build one the way that I was doing it, he would charge over 20K for it so I still think you got away with a heck of a deal since you paid me thousands less than I spent just on parts to build the car, not including time and labor. But if you feel that you have been cheated I want to make it up to you since I am doing a little better now financially. And I was down to my parents garage over Christmas and found my box of extra stuff for your car, I can send that to you too if you give me an address. I hope that you're having fun with the car, what kind of work have you done on it? You can still email me at GT40cory@yahoo.com Thanks, Cory _______________________________ April 5: Hi, I'm sorry it takes a long time to get back to you, I don't have internet at my house yet. I plan on packaging up the stuff this weekend after I go back down and grab one more piece, the a/c bracket, this weekend at my parents house. Then I'll send that stuff out next week. The $1000 will be in the middle of next month after my next two bi-weekly paychecks. I'll let you know when the first package has been sent to you. Thanks, Cory __________________________ May 30: Hi Andrew,
Sorry things have taken so long. I'm rarely around an online computer, so I don't think to message you. I only remembered now because I listed a car online. Taxes were a big surprise this year, I was surprised by owing a bunch of money. When I sell the car that I just listed, I can pay you back the $1000. I can send you a bunch of papers that I have for building your car, but I've been trying to find the AC bracket and just can't find it. I'll send the papers though and just send the bracket separately when find it. Hope you are doing well.
I've never defended myself on here from the attacks that this guy has made, and I don't know why I am now because I don't think that much will satisfy him. Ever since I sold my first project Fiero to him a couple of years ago, he has been threatening me, trying to give me a bad rep and get money back from me. I lost a ton of money on the sale and even personally delivered it to him, giving him the chance to refuse the car after test driving it and looking it over several times. He accepted it "as is" and then stiffed me on some of the gas money that he was supposed to pay me to get back home. As far as I'm concerned he still owes me money, but I haven't hassled him at all about it even once. Gosh, it cost me over $16,000 in parts alone and he got away with completed for $10,000 because I really needed the money for bills. It would have cost him well over $20,000 to hire someone to build it, but I guess some people just can't be satisfied with anything.
There were a few odds and ends that he found wrong with the car when he first inspected it, and a few that he found afterwards so in his mind I owe him. I think I gave him ample time to refuse the car, and besides that he purchased it "as is." Ignoring these aspects, I offered to send him the $1000 a few months ago to see if it would satisfy him, but unfortunately haven't been able to afford to. I have the check written out to him in an evelope addressed to him, but I just don't have the money to cover it. It's almost funny because he wants money from me, but every time I try to sell a car to get caught up a little he screws both me and himself out of money by emailing the people who bid on my ebay auctions, telling them to not trust me. I know this because some of the people have forwarded their emails from him to me after retracting their bids. He wonders why I don't respond to his emails, it's because I can't afford to be online at home!
And I can't even understand what he means by "I guess this means you will not be sending the $1000? ...like it mattered..." If it doesn't matter, why not stop harassing me?
Every other PFF member that I have done business with has made it a pleasure, and I enjoy the friendships that I have made. I also thank those who have responded to this thread, I look forward to doing business with them. I suppose I will have to send this guy whatever I can for now to see if it will keep him off my back long enough to sell a couple of more projects and get him paid off for good. Some would call what he's doing blackmail. Hopefully he will stop harassing me then, but like I said, some people just can't be satisfied with anything.
[This message has been edited by gt40cory (edited 07-18-2006).]
Transaction completed in a professional manner with no problems!
As for saxman, I resent the implication that I am taking your money. The cash I recieved was for rims I legitimately owned. Regardless of your bogus accounting ideas, Cory's net worth has not changed as a result of this purchase; he has simply converted cash on hand into assets. Please take your buyer's remorse somewhere else, your receipt was for an as-is car. For the life of me I can't imagine why Cory would have been so generous as to suggest any sort of refund on a 10,000 dollar fiero with a fino kit, Archie interior, and V8 Archie kit in it. The parts alone to do these three conversions are worth it. Not that I would even have a dog in this fight if you hadn't implied I was stealing your money, pal.
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m0sh_man Member
Posts: 8460 From: south charleston WV 25309 Registered: Feb 2002
Transaction completed in a professional manner with no problems!
As for saxman, I resent the implication that I am taking your money. The cash I recieved was for rims I legitimately owned. Regardless of your bogus accounting ideas, Cory's net worth has not changed as a result of this purchase; he has simply converted cash on hand into assets. Please take your buyer's remorse somewhere else, your receipt was for an as-is car. For the life of me I can't imagine why Cory would have been so generous as to suggest any sort of refund on a 10,000 dollar fiero with a fino kit, Archie interior, and V8 Archie kit in it. The parts alone to do these three conversions are worth it. Not that I would even have a dog in this fight if you hadn't implied I was stealing your money, pal.
althought it would have definatly been nice for him to tell me he bought another set instead of letting me sit here with my 88GT rims in my front yard debating weather or not to go ahead and take the tires off them.....
althought it would have definatly been nice for him to tell me he bought another set instead of letting me sit here with my 88GT rims in my front yard debating weather or not to go ahead and take the tires off them.....
an email would have been nice.
matthew
We just completed this late this morning. With lunch, 4.5 hour drive, supper, and however long it would take for his other buisness I wouldn't expect notification right away.
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Saxman Member
Posts: 5151 From: Melbourne, FL Registered: May 2005
Transaction completed in a professional manner with no problems!
As for saxman, I resent the implication that I am taking your money. The cash I recieved was for rims I legitimately owned. Regardless of your bogus accounting ideas, Cory's net worth has not changed as a result of this purchase; he has simply converted cash on hand into assets. Please take your buyer's remorse somewhere else, your receipt was for an as-is car. For the life of me I can't imagine why Cory would have been so generous as to suggest any sort of refund on a 10,000 dollar fiero with a fino kit, Archie interior, and V8 Archie kit in it. The parts alone to do these three conversions are worth it. Not that I would even have a dog in this fight if you hadn't implied I was stealing your money, pal.
I said stealing?
I have no opinion toward you, Basic. Just making a point about Cory - and I mistakenly let it affect your opinion of me. I was hoping that nobody would deal with him because of what he did to another forum member - thus saving others the pain of dealing with him. It worked out for you because YOU were the seller. Mosh got a small taste of him, I see.
The basic reason for my dismay is that he described the car a certain way - with most of the problems hidden so that they could only be discovered on an extended drive/search. He even said that he would fund the repairs for the noise I mentioned was coming from the tranny if it turned out there was a problem. Well, the V8 install was the problem - it was not mounted right and the bolts came loose after a few hours of driving, and it was even worse because the rear bearings were bad. It makes sense now that the car had never been registered (thus keeping my first drive in the neighborhood under 25mph) because it was not road-worthy.
There is so much you do not know. One (small) example is that he hid a deep crack in the body with a sticker - but never mentioned it. Want more? The body panels slid around because of a poor install, so how do you know that during a brief drive unless you installed it yourself? Temp went up to 300 degrees after 10 minutes. Almost every accessory did not work. Dash was not installed correctly and shook off the mounts. Digital tachometer died on the second day. Rear bearings were shot. Brake fluid was white mud. Alignment was not even close. Headliner fell. Rust holes throughout the engine compartment. Clutch slave leaked. He never so much as offer an apology.
Frankly, I considered it a done deal before he agreed to drive it here, not when he got here. I had already agreed to buy before he even left, so I felt there was no backing out on the $10k. He didn't get $100 in gas to drive home (after forgetting - and coming back later), but I will have to spend over $2000 to get the car the way he described - and that is only if I get a cheap paint job. He did an incredible job of using scotch tape holding paint chips on is another fine example - except that they fell off when the car got wet. You have to check things over more than 20 minutes to see the deception that went on.
I would not have agreed to pay $10k for a car that needed work. If I wanted a project - I would not have purchased the Fino. Regardless of the "great" deal on the cost of parts alone, I did not want a parts car. I wanted what was described to me - a car I "would not be disappointed in."
It doesn't seem that you read the thread that describes all the non-obvious problems that he flat-out lied about. His quotes are still in there. I am not one to take advantage of another person (obviously, since I bought the car based on an agreement before delivery and did not back out), so I am obviously niave in expecting others to do the same. One day I will learn. This has certainly helped me learn to NOT trust others.
He also told me that my money was spent before he delivered the car - so I knew there was no chance of getting the down payment back. Heck, I even increased the down payment to help him out because he needed it to pay some bills.
Cory says he will send the money (on several occaisions), so let's see if he keeps his word. He even said that he can send me $100 now and more later and that the check is already written.
I did not exaggerate one thing in any of my descriptions of this transaction. I am a man of my word. I hold hope that others will do the same.
I am sorry that you got involved, Basic. Congrads - your deal worked out. I am still waiting for mine to do the same. I love the car, by the way, but only because I spent too much money and even more time and fixed the major problems.
The sad thing is that Cory still feels that he did nothing wrong since he described me as the bad guy. Now you have a small piece of what happened to me, Pal.
(edited for spelling)
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Originally posted by gt40cory: I offered to send him the $1000 a few months ago to see if it would satisfy him, but unfortunately haven't been able to afford to. I have the check written out to him in an evelope addressed to him, but I just don't have the money to cover it. It's almost funny because he wants money from me, but every time I try to sell a car to get caught up a little he screws both me and himself out of money by emailing the people who bid on my ebay auctions, telling them to not trust me. I know this because some of the people have forwarded their emails from him to me after retracting their bids. He wonders why I don't respond to his emails, it's because I can't afford to be online at home!
So, now that eBay hides its bidder information, you can sell your stuff without anyone (including several OTHERS on this forum) warning your bidders. Let's see the other $900 after your current sale to prove you can keep your word (like you said you would do after the last two eBay sales, but DIDN'T). I will let everyone know if you make this deal right, Cory. You admitted there was something wrong with my deal already by offering to pay a piece of what it cost me to get the car on the road. You also said you would pay for repairs if that noise I questioned turned into a problem - and you already received the details of how it went bad.
I'd like nothing more than to be done wondering when you are going to send the money to finish this deal.
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Nov 14th, 2006
1fastcaddy Member
Posts: 618 From: Hays, Kansas Registered: Oct 2004
after reading all this stuff I would have to agree with the majority and say that cory should pay up and/or leave the forum. He should also not be allowed to continue selling things on ebay. I have dealt with 2 different ppl on ebay that have either stiffed me or sold me parts that were not correctly depicted. Most of the kit cars that are built for ppl seem to be shoddy pieces of **** . Cory stating that the car should have sold for 20K is wrong b/c its only worth the money if its actually assembled by a proffesional who has a decent reputation, not a shyster who throws a bullshit kit car together and swindles ppl into buying em. I have just lost faith in ppl that sell things on ebay, now i use it for reference and then find what I want by other means.
~Dan~
------------------ ~Dan~ 85 GT, 84 2M4, & an 86 SE
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Nov 16th, 2006
SuperchargedV6 Member
Posts: 1966 From: Hinckley, Oh, US Registered: Jan 2006
He stated month after month he was going to pay him. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to even think about what is right.
As for YourBasicFiero,, yes you did steal his money as he stated what happened and you chose to not help a brother here on Pennocks over money. You were shown how he treated someone and ignored it. In my book you did wrong and have no morals. SC
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Dans85GT Member
Posts: 382 From: Wappingers Falls, New York, USA Registered: Jun 2005
well i cant say that the whole sale of the rims for cory was "stealing". Being a bit of a douchebagg for selling to some jackass who stiffs fellow members of the forum is spot on in my opinion. Rims take up allot of space and are hard to sell especially over the internet, so I would have jumped at the chance to get rid of them too. And before I get pinned for being a hypocrite, no I would not have completed the deal with cory after hearing what he did. I just think "stealing" is the wrong word.
~Dan~
------------------ ~Dan~ 85 GT, 84 2M4, & an 86 SE
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Posts: 1966 From: Hinckley, Oh, US Registered: Jan 2006
