I have just way too much on my plate and hate to see this car sit here without getting the attention it deserves. Plus I just dropped some coin on a towing vehicle for the rat.
* 1984 Indy Pace car under 19,000 ORIGINAL miles. * 3.3 Liter SD 4 built to Vanderley specifications. Prior owner claimed 300Hp. Dual sidedraft Webbers. * The car is in nearly mint condition.
Things that are not original Motor Seats Has a new set of Mr. Mikes leather Indy seats Instrument cluster Was updated with 150MPH speedo and 7K redline tach Red leather shifter boot and red center console saddle to tie the seats together (Mr. Mikes) Rims Has gold lace rims.
The rest of the car is original.
I would rate the overall condition of the car a 9.5 out of 10
The motor will need a gear reduction starter custom machined to fit as the compression of this engine tends to break the snout off of the aluminum factory starter.
Car does not currently run because of the above mentioned issue.
I have all the original paper work for this car and motor. Car cost alone was $14,772.48 Engine cost was well over $10,000
Car has been garage kept most of its life. I have all the receipts and build sheets for the motor. I will pass along to the new owner 2 folders worth of receipts and build sheets.
This car was to be an original Indy clone. I hate to do this but I just dont have the time to play with this toy and hate to see it sit.
Was asking $8500. $6500 No trades please.
I can deliver this car within a 400 mile radius for a fee with payment for the car in full.
Contact me at reneenrob@bellsouth.net with any questions.
Below are some pictures of the Indy.
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Wow am sorry to see your going to sell this nice one ..You have done some great work on this masterpeace to transform to how it look now ..I wish you good luck selling it .. a Bump for such a fine job you did to this fiero ..Rob
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05:36 PM
pokeyfiero Member
Posts: 16189 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
BTW price for the car is "AS IS". If I was to get it running and drivable, I would be asking 2-3 grand more.
Were located in Frankfort, KY for those interested.
As far as the starter issue goes - there is no one that makes a high tourqe starter for the SD4. The SD4 blocks that Kansas racing sells are drilled for a standard V8 starter. This block is not, so there are 2 options - take the motor out, reweld the starter holes and have them redrilled for a V8 high torque starter or have someone machine a starter block that will fit this engine block. I have a prototype that someone tried to make. It was made by a machine shop and I do not know how well it will fit as it looks like something done in a backyard with a hack saw. I was going to make another using this one as a guide but like I said above - don't have the time to screw with it.
Rob D.
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Jun 29th, 2006
chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
What's the mechanical condition of the engine (mileage etc.)? I get the impression that because of the starter problem, you've not been able to drive this car lately or even had the engine running. Did you get a chance to drive this car at the time you bought it, and what were your impressions of the engine?
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chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
I have not had the car runnig since I bought it. I have had the valve cover off an everything looks like new. The motor has moroso gold needle bearing rockers with titanium valves. Like I said, I have all the build sheets and the engine build alone was over $10,000. The prior owner said that he had this engine in a autocross car that he ran for one season, and never really flogged because of the $$$ he had invested in it. I have no reason to doubt him.
Rob D.
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fierosound Member
Posts: 15145 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
That's unfortunate that you've never even heard the engine running. It doesn't take many miles to blow an engine. For all you know it could have a spun bearing or blow oil out the exhaust - you honestly would not know.
And there's no record at all of how many miles were put on that engine? I'd expect he had the mileage written down somewhere before he pulled the original engine. If a shop installed the engine for the previous owner, there should be a date and mileage on that invoice. Perhaps you just haven't seen it.
I'd really be interested in that information if you could find it.
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chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
That's unfortunate that you've never even heard the engine running. It doesn't take many miles to blow an engine. For all you know it could have a spun bearing or blow oil out the exhaust - you honestly would not know.
And there's no record at all of how many miles were put on that engine? I'd expect he had the mileage written down somewhere before he pulled the original engine. If a shop installed the engine for the previous owner, there should be a date and mileage on that invoice. Perhaps you just haven't seen it.
I'd really be interested in that information if you could find it.
I highly doubt that he would go through the trouble to transplant an engine that was "blown" . The individual I bought the car from was reputable and I no reason to doubt what he told me. The motor has not been run since it was in the Indy. It used to be in another fiero autocross car. Like I said it was ran for one autocross season, he then decided to pull it and put it in the indy and build an original Indy clone. The motor is spotless and the carbs haven't had any fuel in them since it was put in the Indy (they were rebuit during the transplant). The motor was shop built but the installs have been done by the previous owner. Regardless, even if the motor needed a rebuild (which is DOES NOT) this is a hell of a deal. You couln't touch the SD4 parts alone for the price I'm asking for the whole car. I was at one point going to invest in the cosworth head - Now that would have been a screamer! I located one and just couldn't justify the cost for a project that I just don't have time for.
But its like this - If it dosen't sell - then it will sit in the garage till I have the time. Who knows - might be worth my time to get it running after all.
BTW the individual I bought the vehical from was not a back yard mechanic with no funds.
Rob D.
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fierosound Member
Posts: 15145 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
Thank you for clarifying with more details. It misread something and it SOUNDED like the engine was installed in the Indy, and the INDY was autocrossed for one season and the car was sold to you afterwards. I thought that seemed odd.
What exhaust system is on the car? Totally custom I expect?
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chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
Thank you for clarifying with more details. It misread something and it SOUNDED like the engine was installed in the Indy, and the INDY was autocrossed for one season and the car was sold to you afterwards. I thought that seemed odd.
What exhaust system is on the car? Totally custom I expect?
Hooker header with custom tubing to mufler - has the dual stock looking tips out the back
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05:38 PM
gt7 Member
Posts: 277 From: suffolk, va, usa Registered: Feb 2006
Trying to figure out how to afford this. Or more to the point justify affording this. If you mothball it maybe I will be able to do something in a couple more months easier than now.
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fierosound Member
Posts: 15145 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
I find it odd that the previous owner would install that engine with an automatic. I doubt a high-strung engine like that idles at 900rpm, probably more like 1500. Did he install a high-stall convertor to avoid it slamming into gear from neutral? If he did whats the stall rate, and is it also a lock-up convertor to get rid of that "slipping clutch" feel when cruising?
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I find it odd that the previous owner would install that engine with an automatic. I doubt a high-strung engine like that idles at 900rpm, probably more like 1500. Did he install a high-stall convertor to avoid it slamming into gear from neutral? If he did whats the stall rate, and is it also a lock-up convertor to get rid of that "slipping clutch" feel when cruising?
I have no idea about the torque converter.
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11:55 AM
chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
Trying to figure out how to afford this. Or more to the point justify affording this. If you mothball it maybe I will be able to do something in a couple more months easier than now.
If car don't sell here it will be advertised via other venues. I figured I'd give the true Fiero nuts a crack at it.
Rob D.
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11:58 AM
fierosound Member
Posts: 15145 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
Trying to figure out how to afford this. Or more to the point justify affording this.
Don't have that problem. Just having trouble finding a transport that will ship a non-running vehicle. Apparently, it becomes a real pain to load and unload on trucks and trains. There's only so many transporters that do cross-border shipping of cars, so I only have a few more to check with.
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Jul 7th, 2006
fierosound Member
Posts: 15145 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
Rate is in Canadian Funds and is a door to door quote. This price applies on an open car carrier not enclosed and does not include any Customs Fees Duty or Tax that might be applicable on your vehicle. Minimum road clearance required is 4 inches. Vehicle must be in FULL running/operating road worthy and safe condition. We do NOT handle Salvage or Parts vehicle/s. For cross-border paperwork please visit our website www.lhf.com
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Jul 8th, 2006
chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
Rate is in Canadian Funds and is a door to door quote. This price applies on an open car carrier not enclosed and does not include any Customs Fees Duty or Tax that might be applicable on your vehicle. Minimum road clearance required is 4 inches. Vehicle must be in FULL running/operating road worthy and safe condition. We do NOT handle Salvage or Parts vehicle/s. For cross-border paperwork please visit our website www.lhf.com
I would have loved to deliver it to you but your just a little too far from me. I guess you're out??
Anyone else??
Rob D.
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davikan Member
Posts: 680 From: Las Vegas, NV USA Registered: Jul 2005
I'm considering buying a Canadian Fiero and having it transported down to Nevada, where I am. Can anyone recommend a couple options for companies that provide this service?
THANKS
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01:38 PM
fierosound Member
Posts: 15145 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
I'm considering buying a Canadian Fiero and having it transported down to Nevada, where I am. Can anyone recommend a couple options for companies that provide this service?
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Jul 15th, 2006
chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
I'm sure I can get most of the $$$ for the engine...
Hmmmm....what to do...
Bump again for serious offers...
Rob D.
When I emailed you, you stated you didn't have the time or inclination to install a hi-torque Tilton starter. When would you have the time or inclination to part out the car?
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05:48 PM
chester Member
Posts: 4063 From: State of insanity...moved in and comfortably numb... Registered: Jun 2001
When I emailed you, you stated you didn't have the time or inclination to install a hi-torque Tilton starter. When would you have the time or inclination to part out the car?
That was a friggen joke...
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06:28 PM
Elvira Member
Posts: 933 From: Frankfort, Kentucky Registered: Jun 2001
Parting her out is NOT an option! Chester was just trying to make light of this. We really thought long and hard about this, but, between the Rat and my blue GT and now me facing ANOTHER surgery within the month, we just need the $$ more than we need the car. We want the Indy to be enjoyed, not just sit here and wait. It was really a hard decision, but we want to see her enjoyed, not just sit; and sit; and sit... So PLEASE, if someone wants a rare, awesome car to enjoy and show off, check it out! If you need more pics, let us know. Thanks for looking!!
Elvira
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I hope your surgery goes well and you have a speedy recovery. If I had the money I would be seriously considering this car, it looks fabulous and the mechanical issues should be fairly easy to sort out. I hope you sell it soon.
Nolan
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09:18 PM
Aug 1st, 2006
Elvira Member
Posts: 933 From: Frankfort, Kentucky Registered: Jun 2001
Well, here goes... Chester and I have talked, and have come to the decision that we need to sell our Indy ASAP to get the $$ for my surgery. So, before we try selling it on EBay for the $8500 that we started her for on here, we figured we would give someone a chance for a steal of a deal on an AWESOME car. We are dropping the price to $6500 for forum members. We will give it a week on here for that price before she goes to EBay for at least the full asking price as a reserve. We would much rather see her go to someone here in our Fiero "family", then to some stranger on EBay. So, now is your chance to get a nearly new Indy with a 300HP SD-4 for $6500! We also have the 84 Factory Service manual, ALL documentation on the motor (including build sheets), as well as sales docs/etc. on the car, and an extra set of brand new velocity stacks for the Weber carbs, and the Hayne's manual for the Weber carbs, etc. So, let us know if anyone is interested. Thanks...
------------------ Elvira Blue 87GT 5sp (True-Blue) Black 86GT 5sp (The Dirty Rat) 84 Indy-19k&300HP SD4! Maroon 88 T-top Formula (1988-2003 RIP)
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..I wish you good luck selling it .. a Bump for such a fine job you did to this fiero ..Rob
ugghhhhh i want one....
