How you can control obesity!

"– 93% more likely to tell patients to avoid ordering high-calorie items"

wow, people are so misinformed... it has absolutely nothing to due with calories. Doctors should know better than to tell patients to be eating lower calorie items. Take a look at the amount of carbohydrates you consume and you will have a better idea of where the obesity comes from!

They can eat all they want if they get off their butts and burn it off.

I thought obesity was a disease and therefore needs to be covered as such under government paid health programs and treated as a disease and not a preventative or self induced medical issue.

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quote Originally posted by banditbalz: "– 93% more likely to tell patients to avoid ordering high-calorie items" wow, people are so misinformed... it has absolutely nothing to due with calories. Doctors should know better than to tell patients to be eating lower calorie items. Take a look at the amount of carbohydrates you consume and you will have a better idea of where the obesity comes from!

Yet you can eat all the carbs you want if you don't eat a lot of fat. It is NOT just one thing. But yup, take the fork out of your mouth, portion control goes a long ways. Without giving the world an indepth nutrition education cutting calories is dam good advice.

NOw now not so fast.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/...uCAKoYEvL/story.html

Medically, obesity is now considered a disease. Socially, the condition is regarded differently. In the social realm, being extremely overweight can seem like a symptom of laziness or lack of willpower.

Research into the genetics of obesity, however, is revealing that this judgment may be unfair. Scientists at Boston Children’s Hospital have discovered a gene that, when deleted, causes extreme obesity in mice. Although an initial survey showed that disease-causing mutations in the gene are quite rare in people, scientists think that less severe mutations in this and other rare genes associated with obesity may cause subtle differences in energy regulation and metabolism. Those differences may cause some people to be predisposed to weight gain.

quote Originally posted by newf: NOw now not so fast. http://www.bostonglobe.com/...uCAKoYEvL/story.html Medically, obesity is now considered a disease. Socially, the condition is regarded differently. In the social realm, being extremely overweight can seem like a symptom of laziness or lack of willpower. Research into the genetics of obesity, however, is revealing that this judgment may be unfair. Scientists at Boston Children’s Hospital have discovered a gene that, when deleted, causes extreme obesity in mice. Although an initial survey showed that disease-causing mutations in the gene are quite rare in people, scientists think that less severe mutations in this and other rare genes associated with obesity may cause subtle differences in energy regulation and metabolism. Those differences may cause some people to be predisposed to weight gain.

how about they get off their fat lazy ass and do something, anything other than sit there and stuff your face all day long without ever getting off their fat dam ass es. WTF I know this guy who is so fat, how fat is he, he can't drive a car because he can't push the seat back far enough to get behind the wheel and when he does find a car that he can get behind the steering wheel he is so fat he cant reach the pedals.

how about the truth, stop stuffing your dam face and sitting around all day doing nothing. I can eat all day long but because I actually do physical labor don't gain a pound. only time I ever gained any weight was right after my stroke and that was just about 15 lbs.

fat is lazy period.

Steve

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there are some actual genetic cases. but - yes - most fatties are fat by choice.

do insurance companies charge higher prices for fatties?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: there are some actual genetic cases. but - yes - most fatties are fat by choice. do insurance companies charge higher prices for fatties?

They soon will, once they have divided up everybody into high risk groups they will raise the prices on everybody. Kinda like politics and race.

I also wonder why clothing for fat people is not more expensive than for average sizes.

It has been said... Stop stuffing your damn face! Go to the gym. Exercise. Eat healthy. It is your life, do with it as you please, but don't let YOUR issues cause ME money.

I work damn hard to keep in shape. At times I fall back a bit, but in general, I have kept a healthy lifestyle since I was 161/2. Over 25 years of being fit works for me.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: fat is lazy period. Steve

No offense, and I know that is the favorite soundtrack when pointing fingers & judging "The Obese", but that is at best a somewhat prejudice* & simplistic conclusion, and in no way all-inclusive or even completely factual.

Lazy is subjective.
I mean, compared to Don (Maryjane), most of us would look downright paralyzed in our daily workload.
I think a more factual observation would be; Burn more energy then you take in.

I am on the run (on the clock) 12 hours a day.
Yet at that daily amount of excursion, I could not lose weight.
I removed 2 meals (about 1000 calories) and am now losing weight.

I was simply taking in more fuel then I was burning at my daily excursion rate.
It wasn't lazy, it was a lack of prudence.

*Prejudice:
1. a preconceived judgment or opinion; an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge.

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As with most of my posts: I started this topic to frame a good debate and help people think about the issue.

In my profession as a personal trainer/fitness expert, I do not judge anybody! I LOVE seeing obese people in the gym and outside walking because they are working on getting in shape! I love that!

I posted this story so we can realize that more people CHOOSE to be obese via overconsumption of food and lack of movement. There are far less people who are genetically "stuck". Genetics may make things difficult, but it does not mean you are STUCK living a horrible life.

We have the option to try. We have the option to try harder. We also have the option to stop tying and start DOING! Do more, try less!

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: fat is lazy period. Steve

It is also the results of abuse and psychological problems. My wife insisted that I eat dinner with her when she came home very late from school. I was not hungry and I later tried to eat as little as I could before she came home. When from went from under 150 to over 205, I said no more. There was crying and yelling about how I did not love her and I told her I would not die of obesity for her. She would then try to get me to finish the leftovers, "there is just a little left". I learned to make my own choices.

I have stayed under 200 for 17 years now and as much as I try, it is a ***ch to get back to where I was. I suspect that my no fat build is very near 150 but, I will be happy when I get stable under 180.

I go to the gym everyday.
I like running. I run a few miles a day.
I rarely sit around.
I eat healthy most of the time, probably 90-95%. I eat very small portions.

I am overweight. 20% body fat to be specific. Drinking will put me up to 25% within a few weeks of heavy consumption. I'm at a wall right now and just can't get past it. I'm doing all I can. Friends around me eat crap all day and drink all night and keep <15% body fat. Metabolism is different depending on the person. I don't pretend to know all the science, I just know what I look like and what I do to maintain what I look like (I'm very proud of myself right now--after stopping drinking I dropped quite a bit. But drinking isn't laziness).

It's one thing to see someone gain 50 lbs in a year and have concern for them. It's another to say everyone that is under that label is just lazy. I know I'm not!

quote Originally posted by theBDub: I go to the gym everyday...

Take a break! I knew a guy that went all out, every time. Never grew an inch of muscle. You need to rest Brennan.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: It's another to say everyone that is under that label is just lazy. I know I'm not!

You mean like unions are useless we don't need them anymore because we have laws.
You mean like minimum wage is not a good thing.

Steve

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IMO, obesity is just as much a behavioral problem as a genetic one, if not more so. I also think that most people who blame their weight problem on genetics are just making lame excuses. Yes, you can be genetically predisposed to having a low metabolism. But that doesn't automatically make you obese. What will make you obese is your failure to adjust your diet and activity level to match your metabolism.

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Take a break! I knew a guy that went all out, every time. Never grew an inch of muscle. You need to rest Brennan.

I break when I feel it necessary. Every couple weeks I guess. I don't have a rule about it. I don't do much heavy lifting. Most of my time is spent on cardio and abs, but I hit everywhere to keep a good balance.

quote Originally posted by theBDub: I go to the gym everyday. I like running. I run a few miles a day. I rarely sit around. I eat healthy most of the time, probably 90-95%. I eat very small portions. I am overweight. 20% body fat to be specific. Drinking will put me up to 25% within a few weeks of heavy consumption. I'm at a wall right now and just can't get past it. I'm doing all I can. Friends around me eat crap all day and drink all night and keep <15% body fat. Metabolism is different depending on the person. I don't pretend to know all the science, I just know what I look like and what I do to maintain what I look like (I'm very proud of myself right now--after stopping drinking I dropped quite a bit. But drinking isn't laziness). It's one thing to see someone gain 50 lbs in a year and have concern for them. It's another to say everyone that is under that label is just lazy. I know I'm not!

Good for you bro! 

I've been there and I'm still fighting the battle. At my peak, I was 365lbs. I'm 5'11". Today I'm 240lbs and still have about 25lbs to loose.

It’s sad to see how quick people are to label everyone. I've been called every name in the book. I've been judged by people who do not even know me.

I've been through some really rough times. But instead of beating my wife and kids, drinking, doing drugs or rebelling against anything and everything, I ate. For some reason it made me feel better. Was I lazy? Hell no. I owned my own cabling business and hauled boxes of cables up many flights of stairs in apartment buildings and office building that were under construction etc..

Other than a few exceptions, no one WANTS to be fat. but we all have our problems and we all deal with the differently.

Comments like the obese are costing you money are crewel and ill-informed. Everyone around you costs you money and you cost me money. When you have cancer, heart attack, broken limbs because you did something stupid. We are all human and all have feelings.

I am finally winning the battle and I would always be glad to help anyone and everyone who wants to do the same, regardless of what it may cost me.
This was me then:


and this is me now:

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: We are all human and all have feelings.

Except fatties, apparently.
There are some on here that want to "help" lazy fat slobs by "shaming" them into losing weight. The science is clear, as evidenced by the crowd of experts on here. Could that many experts be wrong?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Except fatties, apparently. There are some on here that want to "help" lazy fat slobs by "shaming" them into losing weight. The science is clear, as evidenced by the crowd of experts on here. Could that many experts be wrong?

seems they aren't so jolly ether, a friend who is actually on disability because he is Way over obese who needs knee replacement surgery that the doctors refused to do because he is so over weight, something like 400+ lbs. refused to have the lap band or whatever its called because he couldn't eat. guy is so fat he sits down, well all he does it sit down, he even has his garage setup so he can just wheel himself around it in a rolling office chair instead of walking from one bench to another. he will sit in front of the TV and eat 3 or 4 of those family size potato chip bags watching a movie, along with a bladder buster sodas, the sugar free ones thinking that is helping him.
I saw him the other day at China Mart on a mart kart and said he is tired of being on disability and not having any money to buy enough food. this guy will go to Burger Swill eat so much food that it would feed a family of 10 for a week and that's just for lunch. even broke the toilet in the house he is so fat.

anyone who eats that much food all the time is just signing their own death warrant, he can't even exercise he is so big, he won't stop eating huge amounts of food all the time, the man could not eat for months at a time and still be overweight because he is just a fat lazy slob. well he is going to school to be a nurses aid or something like that he said, he has never actually worked enough in his entire lifetime to get more than a few hundred dollars a month. he is not someone who will ever amount to anything because he wont even try to help himself. like I said he refuses to even get the lap band surgery to lose weight because he thinks he won't be able to eat anything.

don't even try to explain that he will be able to eat, just not in mass quantities the way he likes to. I have known the man for over 15 years because one of his kids was in Amanda's class in school and he has been this way since I have known him. now that is a man who is a drain on not only the economy but on the worlds food source as well.

Steve

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Purple86GT...

You look happy now. Before? Not so much.

It is too bad that they don't have a cure for ugly though.

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quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: Good for you bro!  I've been there and I'm still fighting the battle. At my peak, I was 365lbs. I'm 5'11". Today I'm 240lbs and still have about 25lbs to loose. It’s sad to see how quick people are to label everyone. I've been called every name in the book. I've been judged by people who do not even know me. I've been through some really rough times. But instead of beating my wife and kids, drinking, doing drugs or rebelling against anything and everything, I ate. For some reason it made me feel better. Was I lazy? Hell no. I owned my own cabling business and hauled boxes of cables up many flights of stairs in apartment buildings and office building that were under construction etc.. Other than a few exceptions, no one WANTS to be fat. but we all have our problems and we all deal with the differently. Comments like the obese are costing you money are crewel and ill-informed. Everyone around you costs you money and you cost me money. When you have cancer, heart attack, broken limbs because you did something stupid. We are all human and all have feelings. I am finally winning the battle and I would always be glad to help anyone and everyone who wants to do the same, regardless of what it may cost me. ]

Awesome!

As I have tried to get across in this and countless other threads, we (myself included) shouldn't be so quick to judge others and label them into whatever group we think they are a part of. The reasons for a person being obese are varied and to class every overweight person as being the same is foolish IMO.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: seems they aren't so jolly ether, a friend who is actually on disability because he is Way over obese who needs knee replacement surgery that the doctors refused to do because he is so over weight, something like 400+ lbs. refused to have the lap band or whatever its called because he couldn't eat. guy is so fat he sits down, well all he does it sit down, he even has his garage setup so he can just wheel himself around it in a rolling office chair instead of walking from one bench to another. he will sit in front of the TV and eat 3 or 4 of those family size potato chip bags watching a movie, along with a bladder buster sodas, the sugar free ones thinking that is helping him. I saw him the other day at China Mart on a mart kart and said he is tired of being on disability and not having any money to buy enough food. this guy will go to Burger Swill eat so much food that it would feed a family of 10 for a week and that's just for lunch. even broke the toilet in the house he is so fat. anyone who eats that much food all the time is just signing their own death warrant, he can't even exercise he is so big, he won't stop eating huge amounts of food all the time, the man could not eat for months at a time and still be overweight because he is just a fat lazy slob. well he is going to school to be a nurses aid or something like that he said, he has never actually worked enough in his entire lifetime to get more than a few hundred dollars a month. he is not someone who will ever amount to anything because he wont even try to help himself. like I said he refuses to even get the lap band surgery to lose weight because he thinks he won't be able to eat anything. don't even try to explain that he will be able to eat, just not in mass quantities the way he likes to. I have known the man for over 15 years because one of his kids was in Amanda's class in school and he has been this way since I have known him. now that is a man who is a drain on not only the economy but on the worlds food source as well. Steve

I find it ironic that you are critical of this man who has a food addiction but in the thread here: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...L/086637-3.html#p115

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Sure there are things wrong with the system; people on welfare sometimes are abusing the system. Just like some people abuse every other system. But there are also those who need that to survive. I love how, not sure if it was you, say just get another job. There are no fkn jobs, even less for those with little education but not everyone is built to go to college. I couldn’t stand it myself; all I saw was how to screw the other guy over. Some do not abuse the system, most don’t but when you need it, it is nice to have it there. Biatch all you want most on it do NEED it. You yourself feel that every penny you earn you deserve, you do just like I and everyone else does. But when someone falls on hard time you are biatching that they don’t deserve it because they smoke or drink. Not true. Habits like those can be hard to quit, just ask anyone here who smokes and has tried to quit. As far as throwing that in your face when and if you hit hard times, and believe me it can happen to you or anyone. It happened to me and I thought I was prepared, had money put away money in a 401K and it got used up paying medical expenses from my stroke alone, then I had to have a quadruple bypass. I paid into this system for 40 years already, just how long have you. I earned my disability by paying into the system for 40 years, just how long have you been paying? Now those fat lazy basterds that never did anything don’t but that doesn’t mean the system is wrong. You think the economy is bad now, take all those people on disability and welfare off that and you are going to see just how bad it is. There will be riots. And that ain’t far away given the inequity of our pay scales in this country and most others. Why should a banker who is doing nothing but screwing over everyone he meets get what he is paid? Why should some college kid just out of college get 3 times what someone who has been do his job for years get paid more than them. We need to revamp the entire system, not just the welfare system. You don’t like it Vote to change it or move to a country that has a better tax system, please. You have the money, from what you have posted, hey move to Cuba or Russia or Afghanistan, or Spain. Think you will do better, please STFU and move. Steve

You are defending people on social assistance who buy smokes and beer and claim it is not their fault because these substances are addictive? I assume you consume smokes and beer and you say you had a stroke and needed a quadruple bypass.

His addiction is different than yours and in the end, the result will be the same, health suffers. Maybe he needs a friend to talk to or some motivation? I doubt he is afraid of not being able to eat after the lap-band or gastric bypass or any other surgery. I would imagine that since it is a dangerous life threatening procedure, he may be nervous about it.

We are all at times “a drain on the economy”

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quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: You are defending people on social assistance who buy smokes and beer and claim it is not their fault because these substances are addictive? I assume you consume smokes and beer and you say you had a stroke and needed a quadruple bypass. His addiction is different than yours and in the end, the result will be the same, health suffers. Maybe he needs a friend to talk to or some motivation? I doubt he is afraid of not being able to eat after the lap-band or gastric bypass or any other surgery. I would imagine that since it is a dangerous life threatening procedure, he may be nervous about it. We are all at times “a drain on the economy”

first of all I never defended the people abusing the system, just stated a fact that it happens and some are addicted to things, sure I guess eating can be addictive, it is also a necessity to survive, but over eating is not an addiction, it is just a stupid choice by some. and I do smoke, but am prescribe 3 beers a week by my heart surgeon, got a problem with that as well? cigarettes have a drug added to them, nicotine that makes them addictive, never heard of food having addictive drugs added to them to make you want to eat more, sure they put all sorts of drugs and additives to foods to make them stay fresher longer, look better in the store, foods grow faster and the animals grow quicker to get to the market faster but non get you addicted to them that I know of anyway.

As far as him being afraid of the surgery he is not afraid of the surgery, what he is afraid of and has said to me and Melanie is that he won't be able to eat, wrong he will be able to eat, just not the huge quantities that he is so accustomed to and wants to. he is not afraid of the surgery to fix his knees, matter of fact that surgery he wanted and still does but because he is so over weight the doctors refuse to do it because the knee replacement parts are not able to hold that much weight and that surgery is complicated by his obesity. the lap band surgery is a lot less complicate a lot less dangerous than the knee replacement surgery yet he wants that. but refuses to have the lap band surgery first so he can lose the weight needed to make the knee surgery safer for him during the surgery and the replacement of the knee joint able to withstand his incredible weight.

the lap band surgery can be done in a very short time, with a minor incision. not like the knee surgery that is a lot more complicated and because of his size that makes just getting in to do that surgery more complicated now doesn't it.
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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: first of all I never defended the people abusing the system, just stated a fact that it happens and some are addicted to things, sure I guess eating can be addictive, it is also a necessity to survive, but over eating is not an addiction, it is just a stupid choice by some. and I do smoke, but am prescribe 3 beers a week by my heart surgeon, got a problem with that as well? cigarettes have a drug added to them, nicotine that makes them addictive, never heard of food having addictive drugs added to them to make you want to eat more, sure they put all sorts of drugs and additives to foods to make them stay fresher longer, look better in the store, foods grow faster and the animals grow quicker to get to the market faster but non get you addicted to them that I know of anyway. As far as him being afraid of the surgery he is not afraid of the surgery, what he is afraid of and has said to me and Melanie is that he won't be able to eat, wrong he will be able to eat, just not the huge quantities that he is so accustomed to and wants to. he is not afraid of the surgery to fix his knees, matter of fact that surgery he wanted and still does but because he is so over weight the doctors refuse to do it because the knee replacement parts are not able to hold that much weight and that surgery is complicated by his obesity. the lap band surgery is a lot less complicate a lot less dangerous than the knee replacement surgery yet he wants that. but refuses to have the lap band surgery first so he can lose the weight needed to make the knee surgery safer for him during the surgery and the replacement of the knee joint able to withstand his incredible weight. the lap band surgery can be done in a very short time, with a minor incision. not like the knee surgery that is a lot more complicated and because of his size that makes just getting in to do that surgery more complicated now doesn't it. Steve

Let’s be clear Steve, I have nothing against your lifestyle. That is my point. But you have a problem just like the man you are describing does. Passing blame on “addictive ingredients” in a cigarette is not going to change anything. Sugar is an addictive drug so is artificial sweeteners, chocolate, and many, many more ingredients.

Being obese kills, smoking 3 packs a day also kills as you know firsthand with your medical problems.

(https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/094046.html#p2)

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Should have added how much did you smoke when you quit? I have been at 3 packs a day when I tried but never succeeded in anything but cutting back. Steve

I have no problem with how you choose to live your life regardless of how you intentionally damage your health. And if and when you have another medical emergency, I hope you get the best of care. And if you choose to seek some help to stop smoking, I hope every possible tool is made available for you.

Being an ex-morbidly obese person, I was never able to hide from my addiction to food. I was labled from the moment I walked into any store, any restaurant and heaven forbid if I walked into a fast food place… then the expenses.. There is food, large clothes, medical expenses, etc.. You on the other hand are very lucky. Your addiction can be hidden. You can go into a store and no one will point and whisper about your problem, you can hide your problem in your shirt pocket.

So please, have a heart and at the very least, give obese people some respect. They are fighting a war every day with themselves and very few of us win…

I haven't seen any laws enacted anywhere that affected people addicted to food, correct me if I am wrong, I am sure you will.

but how many laws have been passed about smoking, in public, hell even in your own car, and then the taxes that have been passed on smokers, tax on tax on taxes that are against smokers.

forget it, stay fat I really don't care.

Steve

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: I haven't seen any laws enacted anywhere that affected people addicted to food, correct me if I am wrong, I am sure you will. but how many laws have been passed about smoking, in public, hell even in your own car, and then the taxes that have been passed on smokers, tax on tax on taxes that are against smokers. forget it, stay fat I really don't care. Steve

Sorry you feel that way man...

Back in the 30's to maybe the 70's there was very few if any tobacco laws. Kids could smoke. Heck, some Dr. claimed there were no ill health effects and actually said smoking can be good for you. Look at it now.

My focus is not on smoking, it's on addiction. Computer games can be addictive, gabling can be addictive and no ingredients are added there. Not many laws (other than copyrights) on computer games.

I'm not out to prove you wrong. I'm out to hopefully make you or someone else see obese people have a problem but that does not make them more of a burden on society than you or anyone else and they deserve as much respect as anyone.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: I haven't seen any laws enacted anywhere that affected people addicted to food, correct me if I am wrong, I am sure you will. but how many laws have been passed about smoking, in public, hell even in your own car, and then the taxes that have been passed on smokers, tax on tax on taxes that are against smokers. forget it, stay fat I really don't care. Steve

Are you saying that because one group (which you are a member) is persecuted for their behavior that everybody on down the line should be persecuted too? I will hold back my comments on this until you clarify your position...

Myself, I do not look at, well try not to look at other peoples behaviors and be angry their decisions are costing me money. Be angry at the government for making everybody else responsible for someone else's actions.

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: ... forget it, stay fat I really don't care. Steve

Breathe. Just ****ing breathe...

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: Sugar is an addictive drug so is artificial sweeteners, chocolate, and many, many more ingredients.

This is true. Refined sugars and refined grains (white bread) trigger many of the same neural pathways as heroin and cocaine. And carbs disrupt your body's mechanism for regulating hunger. So, while a high carb meal may not have more calories than a low carb meal, the high carb meal will cause you to feel not as full afterwards, and will cause you to feel hungry sooner. Resulting in eating more to reach the same level of satisfaction.

I had a bit of a weight problem about a year ago. About 25 lbs too much. I went low-carb, and I dropped about 30 lbs. I found my cheeks sunken, making me look older than I am. I upped my carb intake a little, and easily put on 5 lbs, which put me at the weight I wanted. I used to think that it was all about calories in & calories out. When I was 25lbs heavy, I was exercising way more than I am now, and I still couldn't get the weight to come off. The difference is the carbs. I still love bagels, spaghetti and ice cream, but I now eat them once every few months instead of every week.

Wow this thread is getting nasty!

Purple86GT: Great job on the weight loss. It appears you started to care (more) for your body and health.

Another thing I notice is SOCIAL SUPPORT. All naysayers aside, having people tell you "You can" and "You should" can be very helpful. Surround yourself with people who are positive and WANT to improve.

Being stuck around Debby-downers will only make your ship sink faster.

Be +++ happy! +++++

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quote Originally posted by xquaid: Wow this thread is getting nasty! Purple86GT: Great job on the weight loss. It appears you started to care (more) for your body and health. Another thing I notice is SOCIAL SUPPORT. All naysayers aside, having people tell you "You can" and "You should" can be very helpful. Surround yourself with people who are positive and WANT to improve. Being stuck around Debby-downers will only make your ship sink faster. Be +++ happy! +++++

That is 100% true! I could never of done it alone. My wife, family and friends helped me enormously. I'd love to return the favor to someone else who is in a similar situation.

quote Originally posted by Purple86GT: That is 100% true! I could never of done it alone. My wife, family and friends helped me enormously. I'd love to return the favor to someone else who is in a similar situation.

I am honestly VERY happy for you!
What matters most is that YOU are happy. Weight does not matter. HAPPINESS matters!

Share you positive weight loss story with others.

If you ever took weight related medication; do you take less of it now?
Do you feel better?
Are you able to physically move more and do more?
Has your self-esteem improved?
How is your confidence now compared to the past?


The answers to these questions are things you can point out to family and friends to guide them in the right direction

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: seems they aren't so jolly ether, a friend who is actually on disability because he is Way over obese who needs knee replacement surgery that the doctors refused to do because he is so over weight, something like 400+ lbs. refused to have the lap band or whatever its called because he couldn't eat. guy is so fat he sits down, well all he does it sit down, he even has his garage setup so he can just wheel himself around it in a rolling office chair instead of walking from one bench to another. he will sit in front of the TV and eat 3 or 4 of those family size potato chip bags watching a movie, along with a bladder buster sodas, the sugar free ones thinking that is helping him. I saw him the other day at China Mart on a mart kart and said he is tired of being on disability and not having any money to buy enough food. this guy will go to Burger Swill eat so much food that it would feed a family of 10 for a week and that's just for lunch. even broke the toilet in the house he is so fat. anyone who eats that much food all the time is just signing their own death warrant, he can't even exercise he is so big, he won't stop eating huge amounts of food all the time, the man could not eat for months at a time and still be overweight because he is just a fat lazy slob. well he is going to school to be a nurses aid or something like that he said, he has never actually worked enough in his entire lifetime to get more than a few hundred dollars a month. he is not someone who will ever amount to anything because he wont even try to help himself. like I said he refuses to even get the lap band surgery to lose weight because he thinks he won't be able to eat anything. don't even try to explain that he will be able to eat, just not in mass quantities the way he likes to. I have known the man for over 15 years because one of his kids was in Amanda's class in school and he has been this way since I have known him. now that is a man who is a drain on not only the economy but on the worlds food source as well. Steve

Nobody gets that bad off by "being lazy." There's more at work, either emotional, psychological, or medical. That's why it bugs me when people immediately assume someone overweight is just a lazy slob. 20lbs overweight? Cut down on the beer and take a walk. Even 50lbs., probalby just bad eating and exercising habits. 200lbs overweight - that's not just a case of overeating. For one thing, when someone becomes morbidly obese (100lbs overweight), that changes their metabolism and hormones. One reason gastric bypass works as well as it does is by bypassing the duodenum, you end up changing the way the body makes hormones. It can actually cure diabetes and that's before the weight has come off.

It sounds like he is a compulsive eater or addicted to food. It's no different physiologically than a drug addiction. The same pleasure centers stimulated by drug use are stimulated by eating in some people. It's why people who quit drinking or smoking frequently gain weight - the addictive behavior is still there. The object of the addiction just changed from booze or cigarettes to food.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: the man could not eat for months at a time and still be overweight because he is just a fat lazy slob.

Actually, he could stop eating and die of starvation while still being "a fat lazy slob." Are you as compassionate with "friends" of yours who may have alcohol or drug problems?