If you don't like my threads, or what I post, this is your last chance to hit the back button. Anyone not adding to the discussion will be ridiculed for being a troll, spammer and hypocrite. Why cause yourself heartache and anger? You have been warned!
Now that that is out of the way, here is an email I received.
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David Barton of Wallbuilders.com <http://wallbuilders.com/> has come out with a list explaining why Barack Obama is the most biblically hostile President of all time. While most of these stories have been seen before, seeing them all laid out in one list is pretty astonishing.
1. Acts of Hostility Toward People Of Biblical Faith: a. April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren’t like them.” b. February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. c. April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus’ name be covered when he is making his speech. d. May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. e. April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican ; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. f. October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. g. November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is “E pluribus Unum” rather than “In God We Trust” as established by federal law. h. January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court. i. February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. j. April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. k. August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. l. November 2011 – Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. m. November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. n. December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries’ religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights. o. January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. p. February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. 2. Acts of Hostility From The Obama-Led Military Toward People Of Biblical Faith: a. June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery .. b. August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except America). c. September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains. d. September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.” e. November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity. f. November 2011 – The Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans. g. February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point dis-invites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. (“Jerry”) Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian. h. February 2012 – The Air Force removes “God” from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei). i. February 2012 – The Army orders Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read. 3. Acts of Hostility Toward Biblical Values: a. January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. b. January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional. c. March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. d. March 2009 – Obama orders taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research. e. March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations. f. May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions. He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets. g. May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities. h. July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direct violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. i. September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.” j. July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion. k. August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs. l. September 2010 – The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. m. February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act. n. March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls. o. July 2011 – Obama allows homosexuals to serve openly in the military, reversing a policy originally instituted by George Washington in March 1778. p. September 2011 – The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. q. October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion. 4. Acts Of Preferentialism For Islam: a. May 2009 – While Obama does not host any National Day of Prayer event at the White House, he does host White House Iftar dinners in honor of Ramadan. b. April 2010 – Christian leader Franklin Graham is dis-invited from the Pentagon’s National Day of Prayer Event because of complaints from the Muslim community. c. April 2010 – The Obama administration requires rewriting of government documents and a change in administration vocabulary to remove terms that are deemed offensive to Muslims, including jihad, jihadists, terrorists, radical Islamic, etc. d. August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. e. August 2010 – Obama went to great lengths to speak out on multiple occasions on behalf of building an Islamic mosque at Ground Zero, while at the same time he was silent about a Christian church being denied permission to rebuild at that location. f. 2010 – While every White House traditionally issues hundreds of official proclamations and statements on numerous occasions, this White House avoids traditional Biblical holidays and events but regularly recognizes major Muslim holidays, as evidenced by its 2010 statements on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha. g. October 2011 – Obama’s Muslim advisers block Middle Eastern Christians’ access to the White House. h. February 2012 – The Obama administration makes effulgent apologies for Korans being burned by the U. S. military, but when Bibles were burned by the military, numerous reasons were offered why it was the right thing to do. Many of these actions are literally unprecedented – this is the first time they have happened in four centuries of American history. The hostility of President Obama toward Biblical faith and values is without equal from any previous American president.
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Sorry Rinsleberg, I should have been more specific. I was asking avengador1. I respect his desire for this to go however he wants it to go. There is no one that I agree with all of the time so if disagreement is not allowed I'll stay out.
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Sorry Rinsleberg, I should have been more specific. I was asking avengador1. I respect his desire for this to go however he wants it to go. There is no one that I agree with all of the time so if disagreement is not allowed I'll stay out.
Avengador1 has stated quite clearly (and rather emphatically and on more than one occasion) that he posts/pastes these articles without his personal comment
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"because I want to hear other people's opinions"
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27083 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.”
Your Rights as a Patient at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center http://www.wrnmmc.capmed.mi....aspx#rights_patient nothing there 11. To Express Your Feelings You and your family will be allowed to express spiritual beliefs and cultural practices as long as they do not harm others or interfere with treatment.
If you don't like my threads, or what I post, this is your last chance to hit the back button. Anyone not adding to the discussion will be ridiculed for being a troll, spammer and hypocrite. Why cause yourself heartache and anger? You have been warned!
/QUOTE] One thing that makes me angry is being threatened.I don't normally post in political threads,but this time I need to make an exception ! KISS MY A$$ !!!!!!!!!!
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
For the sake of discussion, you know, like devils advocate, my question is why would people want to vote for Obama? Well, outside of the vote for the straight party ticket hardcore, what specific reasons would people have to vote for him? No, I'm trying to be a troll, I just don't understand the "why"?
For the sake of discussion, you know, like devils advocate, my question is why would people want to vote for Obama? Well, outside of the vote for the straight party ticket hardcore, what specific reasons would people have to vote for him? No, I'm trying to be a troll, I just don't understand the "why"?
I think the argument can be made for both Obama and Romney. I agree that keeping Obama doesn't move us towards any improvement but I don't think Romney does either. He will maintain the same war plan so that spending will continue. The economic issues have taken decades to create so he's going to face the same challenges to fix it. He can undo the healthcare act but that is just cuts additional costs, it doesn't fix the biggest problems.
We need a totally new congress in both houses. Watch, Romney will end his four years pretty much in the same position as Obama. Sure, he will want to put his stamp on it but I don't see him magically fixing everything.
Just a thought but being fed to lions might have something to do with it
and 100's of years of Christians slaughtering those who think differently in the name of christ makes the rest of us not give a damn if they feel "persecuted" for not being allowed to bring a bible into a building..
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boostedbird Member
Posts: 806 From: Fort Wayne, Indiana Registered: Sep 2004
It seems I have offended a few trolls...Good! I guess I'll have to keep score to see how many show up in here. The first batch will include boostedbird, hugh (no surprise here), and Marvin McInnis. Dratts you don't have to agree with me to have a discussion. Having an opposing view is a plus when having one, otherwise I am just preaching to the choir. As long as you can back up your opposing view you are not a troll. Even rayb is not a troll because his post is his personal opinion, he even posts links to back him up from time to time. People that post here without adding to the discussion or to just hurl insults are the real trolls. You can easily pick them out by reading what they say, it usually is some sort of hate message.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35467 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
The intimate, fatherly relationship with pornographer and card-carrying communist Frank Marshall Davis that Barack Obama captured in a disturbingly graphic poem has led many to speculate Obama was sexually abused as a teen.
Ads by Google Bible You Think You Know The Bible Well? Test Yourself With Our Trivia Game www.BibleTriviaTime.comRush limbaugh Listen to Conservative Talk Shows Right From Your Browser - For Free! www.ConservativeTalkNow.comDavis, who wrote of molesting a 13-year-old girl in a quasi-autobiographical novel, has been identified as the “Pop” in a poem that describes “amber stains” on both Obama’s and “Pop’s” shorts.
A psychotherapist who also notes the parental abandonment Obama suffered in his childhood says that while she can’t prove it, “the degree of Obama’s disconnect reminds me of my sexually abused clients.”
Writing under the pseudonym Robin of Berkeley, the psychotherapist says Obama’s poem “evoked images of sexual abuse.”
Many pundits who have examined Barack Obama’s unconventional childhood have marveled at his ability to overcome significant personal obstacles to become the leader of the free world, but it’s not hard to imagine there have been consequences.
Speculation about Obama’s sexuality has roiled beneath the radar of establishment media, fed, among other things, by Larry Sinclair’s sensational claims of cocaine-fueled homosexual acts with Obama in Chicago and reports of Obama’s “transgender nanny” in Indonesia.
Now, the former radical activist from Occidental College who has recounted a 1980 encounter in which Obama affirmed revolutionary Marxist views tells WND in an interview his strong impression at the time was that Obama and the wealthy Pakistani roommate who accompanied him were homosexual lovers.
It seems I have offended a few trolls...Good! I guess I'll have to keep score to see how many show up in here. The first batch will include boostedbird, hugh (no surprise here), and Marvin McInnis. Dratts you don't have to agree with me to have a discussion. Having an opposing view is a plus when having one, otherwise I am just preaching to the choir. As long as you can back up your opposing view you are not a troll. Even rayb is not a troll because his post is his personal opinion, he even posts links to back him up from time to time. People that post here without adding to the discussion or to just hurl insults are the real trolls. You can easily pick them out by reading what they say, it usually is some sort of hate message.
Not mad bud, its the internet. What you don't like to mow?
Anywho, for the discussion I will keep it brief and take my leave. No matter who gets elected they will have an extremely tough outting the first year. I for one am kind of lost in the whole race itself. Hindsight is always 20/20, we find that to be true everyday.
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It seems I have offended a few trolls...Good! I guess I'll have to keep score to see how many show up in here. The first batch will include boostedbird, hugh (no surprise here), and Marvin McInnis. Dratts you don't have to agree with me to have a discussion. Having an opposing view is a plus when having one, otherwise I am just preaching to the choir. As long as you can back up your opposing view you are not a troll. Even rayb is not a troll because his post is his personal opinion, he even posts links to back him up from time to time. People that post here without adding to the discussion or to just hurl insults are the real trolls. You can easily pick them out by reading what they say, it usually is some sort of hate message.
People would have to take you and your unsubstaniated "articles"seriously in order to be offended. And btw, posting articles as you do, which by and large are just other people's opinions is in no way shape or form "backing up" what you post.
Hate messages? Guess what you have been pasting for the last 12 months?
By hate message I know, you know, what I meant. My posts aren't about hate being directed to anyone here, they aren't even about hating the president. They are about how people do not approve of his leadership, or lack of the same, and have decided to point out his wrongdoings. The strange part is that most of the stories about him cannot be easily refuted. I think it is funny how there is a thread full of trolls mocking this one. At least that one will end up in the trash can and we can all see who the real trolls are, as they are having a feeding frenzy there.
By hate message I know, you know, what I meant. My posts aren't about hate being directed to anyone here, they aren't even about hating the president. They are about how people do not approve of his leadership, or lack of the same, and have decided to point out his wrongdoings. The strange part is that most of the stories about him cannot be easily refuted.
Or easily proven.
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I think it is funny how there is a thread full of trolls mocking this one. At least that one will end up in the trash can and we can all see who the real trolls are, as they are having a feeding frenzy there.
It's actually been quite enjoyable for the last few days and in these last couple of days, I've seen people post in OT that I rarely if ever see anymore. Everyone I've seen post are having a ball with these threads, and it is a very refreshing change to see OT actually be fun again.
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In a race that is expected to come down to a tiny margin of votes in a handful of swing states, more than 80 million eligible Americans will sit out this year’s presidential election.
These potential voters could make all the difference for President Barack Obama – a new survey shows they overwhelmingly support the president over Republican rival Mitt Romney – but they won’t vote for him, even though a majority acknowledge that politics makes a difference in their lives.
A Suffolk University-USA Today survey found that 43 percent of unregistered Americans and 43 percent of registered voters who are unlikely to make it to the polls in November would choose Obama if they were to cast a ballot. Just 14 percent of unregistered Americans and 20 percent of registered but unlikely voters said the same of Romney.
These Americans are not likely to make their voices heard on Election Day because they are paying attention to other things and don’t have faith in the process. Sixty-one percent could not correctly name the current vice president.
If they don't want to vote, and be part of the system, they better not complain if he isn't re-elected. Contine reading the article at the link in the link.
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In 2008, he was one of the biggest champions for Barack Obama, even serving as an Obama campaign co-chairman and seconding Obama’s nomination at the Democratic National Convention.
But that was then and this is now.
Today, Artur Davis, a former four-term Democratic congressman from Alabama is now supporting Republican Mitt Romney for president, and is joining him on the campaign trail in Arlington, Va.
Just last month in Falls Church, Va., Davis gave a rousing address to the Northern Virginia Tea Party, rallying the crowd to defeat his former ally Obama.
More rhetoric--nothing new here. In both 2004 and 2008, approx 80 million qualified American voters did not vote. (81.5 million in 2008 and Obama still won)
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and 100's of years of Christians slaughtering those who think differently in the name of christ makes the rest of us not give a damn if they feel "persecuted" for not being allowed to bring a bible into a building..
Uh, English translation please?
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35467 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
The Washington Times reports that the Department of Labor will be giving out $100 million in "grant funding" to states to prevent layoffs by businesses (which, obviously, would damage the President politically).
Under the plan, the federal grants will go to states, which will then hand it out to businesses that agree to pay employees as part-time workers, rather than laying them off. Our tax dollars will be used to supplement the part-time pay so that they receive their full-time salaries.
Obviously, this gambit is a thinly-disguised scheme to use taxpayer money for the President's personal political advantage. Whether it prevents a higher unemployment rate -- or just reduces the number of disgruntled, laid-off voters in the run up to the election -- it's an abuse of the taxpayer purse.
Who wants to bet that the grants will be targeted primarily at states the President needs to win?
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For the sake of discussion, you know, like devils advocate, my question is why would people want to vote for Obama? Well, outside of the vote for the straight party ticket hardcore, what specific reasons would people have to vote for him? No, I'm trying to be a troll, I just don't understand the "why"?
I havent figured that out either. Ive met a lot of people face to face that say they did vote for him and will again. They have nothing to say when I ask them directly WHY ?... except to repeat what he says in his speeches all of which are totally untrue, and in most cases PROVEN to be untrue/ incorrect.
ie/ " just tell me why you will vote for him again. How are you any better off than 4 years ago ? Gas has gone up 50%, food 10%, your property is worth 60% of what it used to be (unless you already lost it), you lost your good paying job for a minimum wage one (if you got one at all), youre wife/husband left you because of the financial stress on the family, and the stress of all that has made you ill and you cant afford to get treatment. Give me one reason you want him in again thats not based on any of his BS." Then they walk away mumbling that im dumb......(thats the best they can come up with)
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Posts: 35467 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Yes, he told us in advance what he planned to do. Few were listening. The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised "Meet The Press'. From Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, Televised "Meet the Press" THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag. General Bill Gann' USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played. The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, "Stand and Face It". NOW GET THIS !! 'Senator Obama replied: "As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides". "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression.." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing." (ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???) Obama continued: "The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing'. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails - - - perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ......"
When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past". "Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First black Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America " Yes, you read it right. I, for one, am speechless!!!
Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Ive met a lot of people face to face that say they did vote for him and will again. They have nothing to say when I ask them directly WHY ?... except to repeat what he says in his speeches.......
From what you just wrote, it seems they did tell you why. When you asked them, their answer was based on what they believe, not you.
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