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Those things rust, dont'they? by carnut122
Started on: 08-06-2012 07:53 PM
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Report this Post08-06-2012 07:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for carnut122Send a Private Message to carnut122Direct Link to This Post

Toyota Will Recall 778,000 RAV4 And Lexus Models
Automaker still searching for solution to problem
ta RAV4 is one model currently under recall for problems with the rear suspension (Credit: Toyota).

Toyota will recall approximately 778,000 vehicles that are at risk for problems with their rear suspension. But the recall hasn't started yet, because the company hasn't figured out how to fix the problem.

"The remedy is being finalized," wrote Vinnie Venugopal, Toyota's general manager of Engineering and Manufacturing in North America, in a recall acknowledgement letter sent to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. "Toyota will provide NHTSA with additional details at a later time."

Notifying NHTSA of the problem without a solution is an unusual step, perhaps especially so, considering Toyota says it has been monitoring the problem since 2008. The company said it would notify owners of affected RAV4 and Lexus HS 250h models by mail when they can schedule repairs.

The problem centers on improper tightening of lock nuts in the rear-vehicle tie rods. Rust has developed on the tie rods, leading to corrosion, and possibly to separation of the arm from the vehicle. Unchecked, the problem could result in loss of vehicle control, according to the defect report.

While the company says it is safe for motorists to drive the vehicles until a permanent solution is found, they should ensure the lock nuts are properly tightened.

The problem could be responsible for at least one highway accident, in which a driver reported a loud noise that immediately precipitated a loss of control. An internal Toyota investigation could not discern whether the tie-road corrosion had caused the accident.

RAV4 vehicles built in the 2006 through 2010 model years and account for 760,000 of the vehicles in the recall. Lexus 250h models number approximately 18,000 and are from the 2010 model year. Toyota did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

"Once the remedy is available, we will send a notification letter by first class mail advising owners to make an appointment with an authorized Toyota or Lexus dealer to have the remedy performed at no charge," a company spokesperson wrote in a written statement.

In its recall acknowledgement, Toyota said it had initially investigated the tie-rod corrosion problem in 2008, and decided to only monitor the problem at the time. It investigated again in August 2011 when it received additional field reports of problems. In May, it received the report of the accident.
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Report this Post08-06-2012 07:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for heybjornSend a Private Message to heybjornDirect Link to This Post
 
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Rust has developed on the tie rods, leading to corrosion,


If I remember the definitions correctly, rust is corrosion. Sounds like excellent design to me.
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I am a little confused, but wouldn't rust formed no matter how you tighten the lock nuts?

Don't the lock nuts essential hold the parts together where as the rusting is a byproduct of the enviroment? Maybe they should let their engineers out once in a while if they think they can prevent rust by the way you tighten a lock nut.
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Report this Post08-07-2012 12:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Mickey_Moose:

I am a little confused, but wouldn't rust formed no matter how you tighten the lock nuts?

Don't the lock nuts essential hold the parts together where as the rusting is a byproduct of the enviroment? Maybe they should let their engineers out once in a while if they think they can prevent rust by the way you tighten a lock nut.


Sounds like a "wingnut" problem to me....
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Are these US made vehicles? I know the Tundra frame issue was due to a US supplier but Toyota obviously has to spec the material/prep and monitor supplier quality.

Just curious what suppliers are involved.
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Just a wild guess, based strictly on conjecture....

Maybe: rust forms on the tie rod end, which makes the locknut hard to turn. (we've all been there) The Toyota procedure says "tighten locknut to XX lb-ft torque." But, due to corrosion, the locknut binds on the threads, and doesn't actually seat on the tie rod. So, no locking action. And the tie rod end can get loose, or come apart.

Just a wild guess. I've never seen a RAV4 suspension.
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