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As if we actually need more evidence...

Obama’s Third-Party History

JUNE 7, 2012 4:00 A.M.
Obama’s Third-Party History
New documents shed new light on his ties to a leftist party in the 1990s.
By Stanley Kurtz

On the evening of January 11, 1996, while Mitt Romney was in the final years of his run as the head of Bain Capital, Barack Obama formally joined the New Party, which was deeply hostile to the mainstream of the Democratic party and even to American capitalism. In 2008, candidate Obama deceived the American public about his potentially damaging tie to this third party. The issue remains as fresh as today’s headlines, as Romney argues that Obama is trying to move the United States toward European-style social democracy, which was precisely the New Party’s goal.

In late October 2008, when I wrote here at National Review Online that Obama had been a member of the New Party, his campaign sharply denied it, calling my claim a “crackpot smear.” Fight the Smears, an official Obama-campaign website, staunchly maintained that “Barack has been a member of only one political party, the Democratic Party.” I rebutted this, but the debate was never taken up by the mainstream press.

Recently obtained evidence from the updated records of Illinois ACORN at the Wisconsin Historical Society now definitively establishes that Obama was a member of the New Party. He also signed a “contract” promising to publicly support and associate himself with the New Party while in office.

Minutes of the meeting on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago chapter read as follows:
Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions. He signed the New Party “Candidate Contract” and requested an endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party.

Consistent with this, a roster of the Chicago chapter of the New Party from early 1997 lists Obama as a member, with January 11, 1996, indicated as the date he joined.

Knowing that Obama disguised his New Party membership helps make sense of his questionable handling of the 2008 controversy over his ties to ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). During his third debate with John McCain, Obama said that the “only” involvement he’d had with ACORN was to represent the group in a lawsuit seeking to compel Illinois to implement the National Voter Registration Act, or motor-voter law. The records of Illinois ACORN and its associated union clearly contradict that assertion, as I show in my political biography of the president, Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism.

Why did Obama deny his ties to ACORN? The group was notorious in 2008 for thug tactics, fraudulent voter registrations, and its role in popularizing risky subprime lending. Admitting that he had helped to fund ACORN’s voter-registration efforts and train some of their organizers would doubtless have been an embarrassment but not likely a crippling blow to his campaign. So why not simply confess the tie and make light of it? The problem for Obama was ACORN’s political arm, the New Party.

The revelation in 2008 that Obama had joined an ACORN-controlled, leftist third party could have been damaging indeed, and coming clean about his broader work with ACORN might easily have exposed these New Party ties. Because the work of ACORN and the New Party often intersected with Obama’s other alliances, honesty about his ties to either could have laid bare the entire network of his leftist political partnerships.

Although Obama is ultimately responsible for deceiving the American people in 2008 about his political background, he got help from his old associates. Each of the two former political allies who helped him to deny his New Party membership during campaign ’08 was in a position to know better.

The Fight the Smears website quoted Carol Harwell, who managed Obama’s 1996 campaign for the Illinois senate: “Barack did not solicit or seek the New Party endorsement for state senator in 1995.” Drawing on her testimony, Fight the Smears conceded that the New Party did support Obama in 1996 but denied that Obama had ever joined, adding that “he was the only candidate on the ballot in his race and never solicited the endorsement.”

We’ve seen that this is false. Obama formally requested New Party endorsement, signed the candidate contract, and joined the party. Is it conceivable that Obama’s own campaign manager could have been unaware of this? The notion is implausible. And the documents make Harwell’s assertion more remarkable still.

The New Party had a front group called Progressive Chicago, whose job was to identify candidates that the New Party and its sympathizers might support. Nearly four years before Obama was endorsed by the New Party, both he and Harwell joined Progressive Chicago and began signing public letters that regularly reported on the group’s meetings. By prominently taking part in Progressive Chicago activities, Obama was effectively soliciting New Party support for his future political career (as was Harwell, on Obama’s behalf). So Harwell’s testimony is doubly false.

When the New Party controversy broke out, just about the only mainstream journalist to cover it was Politico’s Ben Smith, whose evident purpose was to dismiss it out of hand. He contacted Obama’s official spokesman Ben LaBolt, who claimed that his candidate “was never a member” of the New Party. And New Party co-founder and leader Joel Rogers told Smith, “We didn’t really have members.” But a line in the New Party’s official newsletter explicitly identified Obama as a party member. Rogers dismissed that as mere reference to “the fact that the party had endorsed him.”
This is nonsense. I exposed the falsity of Rogers’s absurd claim, and Smith’s credulity in accepting it, in 2008 (here and here). And in Radical-in-Chief I took on Rogers’s continuing attempts to justify it. The recently uncovered New Party records reveal how dramatically far from the truth Rogers’s statement has been all along.

In a memo dated January 29, 1996, Rogers, writing as head of the New Party Interim Executive Council, addressed “standing concerns regarding existing chapter development and activity, the need for visibility as well as new members.” So less than three weeks after Obama joined the New Party, Rogers was fretting about the need for new members. How, then, could Rogers assert in 2008 that his party “didn’t really have members”? Internal documents show that the entire leadership of the New Party, both nationally and in Chicago, was practically obsessed with signing up new members, from its founding moments until it dissolved in the late 1990s.

In 2008, after I called Rogers out on his ridiculous claim that his party had no members, he explained to Ben Smith that “we did have regular supporters whom many called ‘members,’ but it just meant contributing regularly, not getting voting rights or other formal power in NP governance.” This is also flatly contradicted by the newly uncovered records.

At just about the time Obama joined the New Party, the Chicago chapter was embroiled in a bitter internal dispute. A party-membership list is attached to a memo in which the leaders of one faction consider a scheme to disqualify potential voting members from a competing faction, on the grounds that those voters had not renewed their memberships. The factional leaders worried that their opponents would legitimately object to this tactic, since a mailing that called for members to renew hadn’t been properly sent out. At any rate, the memo clearly demonstrates that, contrary to Rogers’s explanation, membership in the New Party entailed the right to vote on matters of party governance. In fact, Obama’s own New Party endorsement, being controversial, was thrown open to a members’ vote on the day he joined the party.

Were Harwell and Rogers deliberately lying in order to protect Obama and deceive the public? Readers can decide for themselves. Yet it is clear that Obama, through his official spokesman, Ben LaBolt, and the Fight the Smears website, was bent on deceiving the American public about a matter whose truth he well knew.

The documents reveal that the New Party’s central aim was to move the United States steadily closer to European social democracy, a goal that Mitt Romney has also attributed to Obama. New Party leaders disdained mainstream Democrats, considering them tools of business, and promised instead to create a partnership between elected officials and local community organizations, with the goal of socializing the American economy to an unprecedented degree.

The party’s official “statement of principles,” which candidates seeking endorsement from the Chicago chapter were asked to support, called for a “peaceful revolution” and included redistributive proposals substantially to the left of the Democratic party.

To get a sense of the ideology at play, consider that the meeting at which Obama joined the party opened with the announcement of a forthcoming event featuring the prominent socialist activist Frances Fox Piven. The Chicago New Party sponsored a luncheon with Michael Moore that same year.

I have more to say on the New Party’s ideology and program, Obama’s ties to the party, and the relevance of all this to the president’s campaign for reelection. See the forthcoming issue of National Review.

In the meantime, let us see whether a press that let candidate Obama off the hook in 2008 — and that in 2012 is obsessed with the president’s youthful love letters — will now refuse to report that President Obama once joined a leftist third party, and that he hid that truth from the American people in order to win the presidency.

— Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center. A longer version of this article appears in the forthcoming June 25 issue of National Review.
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Originally posted by fierobear:

As if we actually need more evidence...



That is what i was thinking. He's clearly a socialist. He feels its what we all should be and its the 'right' way to go. No shame in having a belief, but he's wrong.
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Remember Joe the plumber?.. Yes he was a less than perfect citizen.. but we knew more about him in a week than we knew about Obama.
Yes the birth certificate issue was a nice distraction.. But.. Where are his grades? I've seen the grades from Gore and Bush.
Editor in chief for Harvard law.. Articles?
Just recently the "press" actually interviewed professors at Chicago.. Obama was not held in high esteem. (Only took the press 5 yrs to actually do some real investigation)

Look, I liked his speech at the DMC, he sounded good, like someone I could support.. But he's like a 70s vintage Jaguar.. it's pretty, but unreliable.
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Remember all the hoopla over this?
Obama Grants Soros Control Over Natural Gas Industry
 
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...President Obama just recently decided to form an interagency natural gas council run by Cecilia Munoz, a former community organizer with La Raza and White House bureaucrat with deep-ties to George Soros, the billionaire investor who made his fortune in currency trading throughout the world while bankrolling liberal political efforts. Munoz formerly led the OpenSociety Institute and the Center for Community Change, two organizations which are directly connected to Soros, MoveOn.org, ACORN, and other fringe groups with a long record of opposing the development of America’s oil and coal resources.


I must have missed it on the evening news.
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Hmm, how many of us were called idiots for calling Obama a Socialist?

Glenn Beck had it right all this time...
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Hmm, how many of us were called idiots for calling Obama a Socialist?


Anyone to the right of Stalin (which seems to exclude most Democrats these days).

 
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Glenn Beck had it right all this time...


Beck has gotten a LOT of things right. He seldom gets credit.
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Good. Stay the f*** home.

Liberals Threaten Not To Vote In November Over Disappointment With Obama


Wow, first time I can remember where I actually agree with a liberal plan of action.
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I heard about this last night... and I'm not at all surprised that the media seems totally uninterested in even remotely mentioning this.

If just before the 2004 election, it was discovered that President Bush was a member (former or otherwise) of the Anarchist party... it would be headline news EVERY SINGLE DAY...

I cannot understand why people simply do not see the insane hypocracy in the media???
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I heard about this last night... and I'm not at all surprised that the media seems totally uninterested in even remotely mentioning this.

If just before the 2004 election, it was discovered that President Bush was a member (former or otherwise) of the Anarchist party... it would be headline news EVERY SINGLE DAY...

I cannot understand why people simply do not see the insane hypocracy in the media???


Then why is there a link to a media article?

Of course he's a socialist like many people in the government. That doesn't mean they are pushing for the hammer and sickle on the flag. Obama is a socialist. That is well known. You guess are making it sound like it's some big secret and he's conspiring with Stalin.

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Then why is there a link to a media article?

Oh, come on, . Even we don't think anyone is that dumb. You I know are not. The "lame stream media".
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Then why is there a link to a media article?

Of course he's a socialist like many people in the government. That doesn't mean they are pushing for the hammer and sickle on the flag. Obama is a socialist. That is well known. You guess are making it sound like it's some big secret and he's conspiring with Stalin.


Come on, you can't be serious. A link to a local CBS affiliate's website? I doubt if it was even mentioned on their live news stations.

In any case, it is a big news story, because Obama vehemently denied that he was ever a member of this New Socialist Party. He denied it, his campaign manager denied it, and several others denied it who were speaking on behalf of him during his campaign. Now... there is actual documentation that proves this.

Despite what you might think, the majority of the United States does NOT want socialism... only the hard-lined liberals.
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Then why is there a link to a media article?

Of course he's a socialist like many people in the government. That doesn't mean they are pushing for the hammer and sickle on the flag. Obama is a socialist. That is well known. You guess are making it sound like it's some big secret and he's conspiring with Stalin.


A better example would be if Bush were found to be a member of a Nazi party, or something equally "out there". If would be the lead story on every news show and on the front page of every newspaper. But this is Obama...so NOTHING in the mainstream media. They have to PROTECT him, you see...
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I do remember a big deal being made of Bush's involvement in Skull & Bones in college.
Does anyone know anything Obama did in college other than the Harvard Law Review?
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I found some interesting "facts" regarding this so-called evidence by fierobear.
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I found some interesting "facts" regarding this so-called evidence by fierobear.


Thank you for bumping this thread, and helping me prove my point. I look forward to your "evidence". If it is as bad as your lack of comprehension of my other post, it will be REALLY entertaining.
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Top 10 Reason to Vote For Obama in 2012
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Here are the Top 10 reasons to vote for President Obama:

10) He is able to pass bills like the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and H.R. 347 without losing much support. The NDAA has language in it that states the military can hold U.S. citizens indefinitely without charge or trial. While the rest of us were out partying New Year's Eve, Obama was very busy at work protecting us from terrorist attacks by taking away our rights with NDAA. H.R. 347 makes protesting a felony when Secret Service agents are present. So will anyone protest him now on the NDAA? I don't think so. Well not to his face at least.

9) He is able to take a no-fly zone resolution from the UN and use it to start bombing Libya without getting any real negative public attention. The Libya operation required no congressional approval by Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta. Obama will let Congress know what he is doing with our money and troops after getting permission from the UN. What other president would take the time to let us know about the offensive they start in other countries after the fact? Thank you, Mr. President, for letting us know what you are doing with our troops and money without getting our approval. Drones in Pakistan now? Thanks again.

8) Does crony capitalism while making you feel good about it. He was also able to bailout big bankers by convincing the American people that they are too big to fail. He takes crony capitalism bailouts for bankers and makes it the virtuous choice. He takes crony capitalism and makes it eco friendly with Solyndra. Obama is able to continue to receive money from John Corzine without getting any real negative public attention. John Corzine has always been one of his largest contributors ($500,000) and still has that great honor after the MF Global scandal.



7) Says he will veto the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA). I know what you are thinking. Obama also said he was going to veto the NDAA but later changed his mind. That was different. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said in a statement that changes lawmakers made to the legislation to accomodate White House concerns were sufficient to avoid a veto. Even though the changes they wanted made the NDAA bill worse, and he still signed it, everyone can trust him this time. The CISPA bill cannot get any worse.

6) He knows what is right. He doesn't need the Judicial branch of government because it slows him down. He told the Supreme Court Justices that they need to approve Obamacare because he thinks it's right and so does Nancy Pelosi. When asked about the constitutionality of the bill her reply was "Are you serious!? Are you serious!?" It is clear in their minds as it should be in all of our minds. They are simply right about Obamacare. Why is the Supreme Court so serious about this? It's not like any of them are up for re-election in November.



5) He is able to take the broken window fallacy and make policy from it while holding his head up high. The famous "Cash For Clunkers" policy subsidized destroying cars to boost auto manufacturing. If destroying capital was good for the economy why didn't he break more stuff? It takes a special kind of man to enact a policy like this and continue to defend it. A man worth voting for.

4) He is fully endorsed by the Oprah Winfrey, Warren Buffet, and the Communist Party of America.

3) Polls show that when compared to other canidates he is the most electable. Why would you want to vote for someone who might lose?

2) He looked really cool on Jimmy Fallon.

1) No matter what he does, it's still cool to vote for him.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by fierobear:


Thank you for bumping this thread, and helping me prove my point. I look forward to your "evidence". If it is as bad as your lack of comprehension of my other post, it will be REALLY entertaining.


One down and plenty more to go. Are you scarred? Well, you should be.
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Obama’s Marxist Ideology is Showing Again
http://politicaloutcast.com...gy-is-showing-again/
 
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In several of President Obama’s speeches I’ve heard a reworking of Karl Marx’s “labor theory of value” maxim. It’s the heart of Marxist ideology. It argues that the value of a commodity is related to the labor needed to produce or obtain that commodity. A person’s value is in his work regardless of whether what he produces ever has any utility or demand.

In his “you didn’t build that speech,” President Obama said “a lot of people work hard.” Cheers went up from the crowd. Yes, a lot of people do work hard, but that doesn’t mean that they deserve some of my money or that they should get a wage commensurate with someone who might not work as hard but gets paid a lot more. There’s more to work than the amount of labor that goes into a job or the development and sale of a product. But even these don’t matter if nobody wants what’s being sold or what service is being offered.

If a doctor works 40 hours a week seeing patients and doing surgery and a garbage collector also works 40 hours per week hauling trash, their labor is equal in terms of hours worked. The garbage hauler is doing harder more physical work than the surgeon, but he doesn’t get paid what the doctor gets. Many more people can be garbage haulers than surgeons. Rarely does a garbage hauler save a person’s life. So it’s not the labor that’s valuable but a marketable skill that people are willing to pay for.

This is a gross inequity according to the way a Marxist like Obama thinks. Taxing the rich cuts down on the inequity. One of the platform principles of the Communist Manifesto is “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax.” President Obama was not the first to adopt this Marxist principle; he’s just the first president who is self-conscious about it.

To the Marxist, economic realities don’t matter. The planners believe they can fix the inequities without any disturbance to the market. It’s the worker’s labor that matters, therefore, he should be paid the same as the doctor or close to it. And if that’s not possible, he should receive some of the doctor’s excessive profit since they both labored equally.

Obama’s recent statement that “you can make it if you try” is an indicator of the “labor theory of value” premise. There are many businesses that fail even though the owner tried very hard and worked 70 or more hours a week to make it work. The housing debacle was built on the argument that every person deserves to be a homeowner because everybody “tries.” So the government decided to circumvent economic realities by guaranteeing loans of people who may have tried hard but couldn’t afford to purchase a house.

There are too many people who believe that they deserve a certain wage because they work and try hard or they have this or that degree. I realize there are some companies that require advanced degrees for someone to get in the door (not at my companies), but if they don’t produce, that is, if they don’t make the company money, they will be shown the same door on their way out to look for another job.

The word “economics” is made up of two Greek words: oikos and nomos, meaning “house” and “law.” There are certain fixed economic LAWS that no amount of counter ideology, no matter how well intended or envious, can change. To violate those laws brings destruction similar to a man jumping off a ten-story building and landing head first on the concrete sidewalk below.



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This is like the famous line in "1984": He who controls the past, controls the future.

The story has been denied since 2008 and still gets no traction even after substantiating documents are found.
It was only reported in political blogs for one or two days two months ago.

No one remembers anything. Maybe it never happened.?

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As if we actually need more evidence...




Yeah... I mean... I thought we were past that already. Isn't everyone who's planning on voting for him NOT already realize that?

I mean, at least the 48.5% of the population's households that are currently collecting government subsidy have GOT to know this... right?


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Yeah... I mean... I thought we were past that already. Isn't everyone who's planning on voting for him NOT already realize that?

I mean, at least the 48.5% of the population's households that are currently collecting government subsidy have GOT to know this... right?


Todd


Hopefully, those who are too damn lazy to work will be too damn lazy to vote.
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Hopefully, those who are too damn lazy to work will be too damn lazy to vote.


That will never happen here. All ballots are delivered by mail so those too lazy are "helped" to vote. Every election day there are couriers on bicycles delivering thousands of ballots in the last hours of voting to drop boxes. No postage stamp needed to return the ballot. No such thing as low voter turn out to help one party over another. The party with the laziest voters always wins.
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And in other news...more evidence the sun is hot!
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