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Windmill-Powered Electric Car by Marvin McInnis
Started on: 04-06-2012 02:19 PM
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Report this Post04-06-2012 02:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin McInnisClick Here to visit Marvin McInnis's HomePageSend a Private Message to Marvin McInnisDirect Link to This Post
What a blast from the past! On April 1 (quite coincidentally) I came across the following newspaper clipping from 1974:



Several weeks before this article appeared I had received a telephone inquiry at my office asking if I was interested in a consulting engagement. The caller was rather evasive, but I surmised that the project somehow involved automobiles, electricity, and wind turbines. Since I had recently completed an independent study project at The University of Oklahoma on wind turbines for electric power generation I naturally assumed that's where the caller had gotten my name. I was always looking for new work and was interested enough to agree to meet with him. I later found out that my assumption had been incorrect; the caller had just blindly picked me out of the "Engineers" section of the phone book yellow pages.

I attended a meeting of project participants, who struck me as a motley collection of car guys and dreamers ... including a used car salesman, a competent machinist/inventor, and one very naive mechanical engineer. I learned that the project was to be a windmill-powered electric car, pretty much as described in the article above, and the guy behind the idea was named Rex Curtis. I immediately realized that the idea was not feasible for a whole variety of reasons, some technical and some non-technical, but I agreed to prepare a feasibility report and present it at the next meeting.

At the next meeting I presented a five-page report detailing both the technical and the practical reasons why the idea wouldn't work. After presenting my report I announced that I would not participate any further in the project. Curtis, who seemed like an amiable and earnest but naive stumblebum, was hardly deterred, but some of the other guys took notice. Before the meeting was over, however, I was surprised to overhear Curtis telling another attendee that he expected a major portion of the financing for the project to come from one or more elderly widows he had met at an Arthur Murray Dance Studio event the previous weekend. To me, this confirmed the wisdom of my quick resignation from the project.

Less than two weeks later the newspaper article appeared, including the use of my name without permission and misrepresenting my participation in the project. Apparently influenced by my report that a reasonably-sized windmill alone could never capture enough energy to power the car, Curtis seemed to have added a "chain saw" powered auxiliary generator to his design concept. (Did this make it one of the first hybrids?) Almost immediately I began receiving calls and letters at my office wanting to know more about the miraculous windmill-powered electric car. I even got a call from BBC in London wanting to do a radio interview with me. I declined all requests, simply (and ethically) stating that I was no longer associated with the project.

Fast forward about 18 months. The last I ever heard about the windmill-powered car project was a telephone call I received one day from someone who identified himself as Court Clerk for one of the local U.S. District Court judges. He said he was preparing a pre-sentencing report on Mr. Curtis and, among other things, he wanted to know if I had invested any money in the project. He went on to say, "Mr. Curtis has been here before, and Judge XXX is bothered that he can't seem to convince Mr. Curtis that he can't use the U.S. Mail to defraud people." I recited pretty much what I've written above, and that was the end of that. This remains the wackiest consulting engagement I ever encountered in 40 years of running my own businesses.

proff, this one's for you!

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Report this Post04-06-2012 07:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneDirect Link to This Post
But, the big ?------Did ya ever get paid for consulting on yours and your friends' windmill car project?

(I need to see if there's a Wiki article about this--with MM listed as "co-inventer")



Didn't Cliff have a thread about something very similar--not long after the infamous "Will it fly?" thread?


Why yes--he did indeed!

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...060811-6-038244.html

 
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No, this is not a continuation of the other thread so I'm not breaking my own forum rules.
But the original thread was quite interesting - if only to see other people's way of thinking in process.

So I pose to you the following problem, one that was presented to my class in high-school and that was cause for just as big a discussion as the "Will the plane fly" discussion. Maybe this problem is a bit simpeler and everybody will agree on the answer from the start. I hope not because that would take away all the fun! If so, sombody come up with a more interesting question. I kinda prefer these kinds of discussions over the usual "you,/he/the world/the universe sucks" threads.

Anyway, here it is:

A car uses a propellor attached to it's roof as it's engine. That is, a propellor driven by the wind is connected through a belt to the wheels of the car. Now suppose the propellor is aiming in the exact same direction as the nose of the car. In short, the car needs a head-wind to make the propellor turn. Is the car able to move forward? In other words, is the system able to use a force (and only this force) directly from ahead to overcome the same force (plus the drag)?

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Report this Post04-07-2012 01:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Marvin McInnisClick Here to visit Marvin McInnis's HomePageSend a Private Message to Marvin McInnisDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by maryjane:

But, the big ?------Did ya ever get paid for consulting on yours and your friends' windmill car project?



I submitted a bill for a couple of hours work, but of course it was never paid. And ol' Rex was never my friend.


 
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(I need to see if there's a Wiki article about this--with MM listed as "co-inventer")



To narrow your search ... I am not Professor Emeritus of Economics at Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario.


 
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A car uses a propellor attached to it's roof as it's engine. That is, a propellor driven by the wind is connected through a belt to the wheels of the car. Now suppose the propellor is aiming in the exact same direction as the nose of the car. In short, the car needs a head-wind to make the propellor turn. Is the car able to move forward? In other words, is the system able to use a force (and only this force) directly from ahead to overcome the same force (plus the drag)?



Totally different question. But yes, it's already been done. A mechanically driven windmill powered car will move forward against the wind if the drive reduction ratio is appropriate. It may be slow, but it will move forward against the wind.

Wow ... this is like deja vu all over again: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...11-6-038244.html#p18

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Report this Post04-07-2012 03:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
Careful, you might get some liberals excited, and they'll be lining up tomorrow to buy the damn thing.
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Report this Post05-07-2012 12:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for tbone42Send a Private Message to tbone42Direct Link to This Post
Hey Marvin, I sent you a PM. Not about windmills, but I figure if you have auto-notify on this, you will get my message.
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Careful, you might get some liberals excited, and they'll be lining up tomorrow to buy the damn thing.


...well, one can always draw up a proposal and submit it to the government for a grant for further study if a car like this can be mass produced...
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Report this Post05-07-2012 03:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MidEngineManiacSend a Private Message to MidEngineManiacDirect Link to This Post
 
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...well, one can always draw up a proposal and submit it to the government for a grant for further study if a car like this can be mass produced...


Dont give anybody any ideas.....my taxes to pay for useless crap are high enough already.

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