http://godfatherpolitics.co...uestioning-of-shots/

quote Scott and Jodi Farris were eagerly expecting the birth of their child. They had arranged for a midwife to help in the delivery, but when she went into labor early, the midwife advised them to go the hospital. An ambulance was called to transport Jodi to the hospital, but the baby came faster than anyone planned and was delivered in the ambulance as it arrived in the parking lot of Hershey Medical Center. Jodi and her little girl were immediately admitted to the hospital where staff members started caring for both mom and baby. Jodi asked the attending nurses about her baby and how it was doing, but they did not answer her. The nurses were about to give the baby an injection when Jodi asked what it was for. None of the nurses would give her a straight answer but just told her that it was good for the baby. After examining the newborn girl, a doctor informed Jodi that she was a healthy baby and scored a 9 on the APGAR test. Not long after, a second doctor told her that her baby was very sick and that they needed to keep it in the hospital. Then another hospital worker told her that her baby was doing good, but she again was told by another staffer that the baby wasn’t doing well and needed to stay in the hospital for the next 48 to 72 hours. In fact, one of them told Jodi that they were required by state law to keep the baby for at least 48 hours. The happiest day in Jodi’s life was going from bad to worse when Angelica Lopez-Heagy, a government social worked came into Jodi’s room and announced that she was conducting an investigation. Jodi asked her what the investigation was about and Lopez-Heagy told her that she couldn’t tell her as it was against the law to do so. Having concern over what was going on, Jodi told the social worker that she was not comfortable answering her questions at which she was informed that if she didn’t, the social worker would call the police and they would assume custody of her baby girl. From the questions Lopez-Heagy asked, Jodi got the impression that the investigation centered on her refusal to give the nurses permission to administer a vitamin K shot to the baby. However, Jodi told her that no one asked her about the shot and had overheard the medical staff confirming that the baby had indeed been given the vitamin K shot. About this time, Scott Farris left the hospital to return home to care for their other children. Shortly after Scott left, the nurses insisted on giving the baby a Hepatitis B shot and tried to force Jodi to give permission. Jodi asked if there had been any blood tests done to warrant the Hepatitis B shot being administered. When they told her no, she informed them that she wanted blood tests done on her and the baby in order to determine if the shot was necessary or not. The staff told her that the shot was necessary regardless of the tests and insisted she give them permission. Jodi then asked if they could wait until she had a chance to talk to Scott when he came back to the hospital. As soon as she asked to wait until her husband returned, Lopez-Heagy left the room and called the police. Then she immediately assumed custody of the hours old baby girl. She told Jodi that the baby was either ill or injured, that they were assuming control over the baby and then she gave the nurses permission to administer the Hepatitis B shot to the baby. But wait, the nightmare is not over. When the police arrived, they evicted Jodi from her bed and from the hospital because she would not sign the hospital’s ‘safety plan.’ Jodi was escorted out of the hospital and off of hospital property. The only bright spot in her very dark day was that the hospital did give her permission to return every three hours to nurse the baby. In order to do so, Jodi and Scott ended up having to sleep in their car in a nearby Wal-Mart parking lot. The next morning, there was a hearing and the baby girl was finally returned to her parents. Michael Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association has filed a lawsuit on behalf of the Ferris’s. Michael Farris pointed out that the hospital staff and the social worker repeatedly lied to the parents. There was no law that stated that the hospital was required to keep the baby for at least 48-72 hours, nor was it against the law for the social worker to inform Jodi about the allegations that prompted the investigation. Additionally, Jodi was lied to about the condition of her baby when some staff told her she was healthy and others told her she was quite ill. The custody seizure was also illegal as there was no court order allowing the social worker or hospital staff to take custody. And then you have the issue of the hospital staff giving the baby injections against the will of the parents. Hershey Medical Center is a state run hospital and is operating under Obamacare guidelines. This is the second such incident in the state of Pennsylvania where medical workers have used Obamacare regulations to overrule the authority of parents and possibly endanger the life of a child. Earlier this week I wrote about Jacob Stieler who had cancer, was treated and has been cancer free for a year when the state medical personnel insist he undergo a dangerous and possibly cancer causing round of chemo. Folks, this is Obamacare in action. This is also why we need to be praying in all earnestness that the US Supreme Court rules the entire health bill to be unconstitutional. Congress seems to be unwilling to live up to their promises to repeal it, so we need to turn it over to the Lord and pray that He will intervene before more Jacobs are given treatments that might kill them and more parents experience the horrific events surrounding the birth of a child as the Ferris family did.

Are you trying to get me infuriated?

I can tell you know... if someone tried to take my baby after my wife had just given birth, I would have raised holy-hell that can't even legally be discussed on this message board.


Todd

Not sure it has to do with obamacare... but definitely evidence of medical tyranny

Seriously... I would have ****ed **** up... not even joking.

I would have put that social worker in that hospital if that had happened to my wife and myself.

You should have shot her.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I would have put that social worker in that hospital if that had happened to my wife and myself.

Would have worked out best for everyone since you would have already been in the hospital! haha...

When my wife gave birth to our child, one of the social workers came in and was trying to get me to sign up for something called "WIC." I thanked the lady, but I told her that I was quite sure that I didn't qualify for WIC. She got upset with me and told me that she'd never heard of any such thing and that WIC is excellent and that I should sign up for it.

I knew better than to really get into it, so I just told her I'd look into it.

I was curious, so I did actually look into it, and it's basically food stamps for babies. I think it's a great program, but how could she not have known that there were income limits to qualify for it? I guess she was just trying to be nice... but pretty crazy that she just automatically assumed that everyone should get it. The more the better I guess... that's how Democrats measure success in welfare programs.

I read the whole story with great intrest.
But I was also waiting for your always predictable "other shoe" to drop.
And just like clockwork, you obliged:

quote Hershey Medical Center is a state run hospital and is operating under Obamacare guidelines. Folks, this is Obamacare in action.

What will you do when Obama is no longer in office 4 or so years from now?
Who will be the next "evil"?
If none, will you be as dedicated & one-sided to what you percieve as the GOOD news?

Becouse I just cannot imagine you doing anything else but over-blowing........to the exclusion of all else.

It is ofcorse your right to see things as wish, but even you must realize that the sources you quote are all very one-sided and dedicated to just one thing.
And it is NOT the truth or impartial reporting.
And as dedicated to the cause as you are, even you must know that.
You will never convince me that you are dumb, or TRUELY believe even half the news you "report".

I am not so sure the health care reform bill had anything to do with the actions described herein. But, the thing you have to remember Boon, is A1 is trying to throw anything at the wall (obama) and see what sticks. He is not interested in only reporting the truth, he is interested in reporting anything that will condemn the president by his own admission. When an article looks suspicious, he can always claim he did not write it, thus making him "only the messenger".. but a messenger with an axe to grind to be sure. Isn't that right, John? No shame in admitting to it, we all already know and your own words in past posts (some very recent) told us that much already.

In PFF tradition of hijacking threads based on only the mentioning of how BAD Obamacare at the end of the article, let's talk about how good it is.... Yes, Obamacare is so "bad", that someone wrote an article at Fox News about why its so good. Yes, you read that correctly- Fox news. And since A1 is big into cut and paste, I will return the favor in his own cut and paste thread.

Reason 2 is my favorite, it does a lot to bust the assumptions about "Obamacare in Action" that A1's cut and paste author wrote about.

http://www.foxnews.com/opin...is-already-good-for/

quote 5 Reasons Obamacare is Already Good for You This week, the nine Justices of the Supreme Court have been listening to oral arguments about the constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. According to polls, 56% of Americans favor repealing the health care reform law. Then again, a decision on fundamental rights and constitutionality should not be a popularity contest. What’s more, according another poll, 1 in 7 Americans believes the Supreme Court has already repealed the Affordable Care Act. So much for polling. How’s about, instead, we look at some facts: 1. Millions of Americans have already benefited from ObamaCare In 2011, an estimated 86 million Americans used provisions in the Affordable Care Act to get preventative care through their insurance plans, care that insurance companies previously subjected to co-pays or deductibles but now must provide for free. Over 2.5 million seniors have saved an estimated $1.5 billion thanks to prescription drug discounts included in health care reform. At least 2.5 million young people now can stay on their parents’ health insurance until age 26. And 4 million small businesses can now claim a tax deduction for providing health insurance to their employees, which so far over a quarter-million small businesses have claimed, providing insurance for 2 million workers. 2. The law won’t fully take effect until 2014 It’s amazing all the pre-emptive attacks on a law that, for the most part, hasn’t gone into effect yet. You can check out this timeline of the various provisions of the Affordable Care Act and when they will take effect. The controversial “individual mandate” at the center of the Supreme Court arguments this week doesn’t kick in until 2014. What this means is that the cost containment provisions in the Affordable Care Act haven’t gone into effect yet either, and meanwhile critics are attacking the law based largely on hypothetical future predictions. In fact, on Monday, the Supreme Court considered whether interest groups or individuals can file suit against a provision in the law that hasn’t even been enforced yet. 3. The individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. Recently, President Obama’s senior adviser David Plouffe called Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney “the godfather of the individual mandate.” At a GOP primary debate in 2011, Romney said, “We got the idea of an individual mandate…from [Newt Gingrich], and [Newt] got it from the Heritage Foundation.” In fact, the idea of requiring businesses or individuals to provide and pay for health insurance traces at least as far back as Richard Nixon, who in 1974 proposed a mandate that “every employer would be required to offer all full-time employees the Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan,” the insurance plan Nixon was pushing. In 1989, Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation shifted the conservative frame from an employer mandate to an individual mandate, writing: If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. If we find that he has spent his money on other things rather than insurance, we may be angry but we will not deny him services—even if that means more prudent citizens end up paying the tab…. A mandate on households certainly would force those with adequate means to obtain insurance protection, which would end the problem of middle-class “free riders” on society’s sense of obligation. Incidentally, Butler has recently tried to renounce his invention of the individual mandate, but it appears to me that his reasoning reads something like, “I was for it when it was a Republican idea and am against it now that Democrats embraced it.” 4. The Congressional Budget Office recently cut health care reform’s cost estimates. Conservatives have relied on apples-to-oranges accounting gimmicks to suggest the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) recently doubled the cost estimates for the Affordable Care Act. In fact, the CBO adjusted its estimates to say the Affordable Care Act will cost less than originally projected. Moreover, the CBO has said that repealing the Affordable Care Act would increase the deficit by $210 billion. 5. Something had to be done about health care The fact is, almost three-quarters of Americans saw health care reform as an urgent priority in the fall of 2009. President Obama had a plan. Republicans did not. Still today, the president is trying to adapt and confirm the implementation of the Affordable Care Act to meet the needs of all Americans while keeping costs down. Republicans are simply putting forward another budget that slashes Medicare and middle class benefits while giving more tax breaks to the rich. At the end of the day, while Americans are still on the fence about the Affordable Care Act as a blanket concept, when asked about particular remedies that the law includes, the public is overwhelmingly supportive. This suggests that the president has a messaging problem, not a policy problem --- whereas the Republicans simply lack any substantive alternative, let alone a popular one. All of the above suggests that the current fight over health care reform has nothing to do with the Affordable Care Act and everything to do with the president who signed it. Never mind the fact that the law already shows promising and valuable impact even before it’s fully in effect. Never mind the fact that cost estimates are dropping and, starting in 2014, the law will contain overall health care costs that are crippling our household budgets. Never mind the fact that the central component of the law was a Republican idea. Conservative ideologues are willing to sacrifice much-needed health care reform and the well-being of millions of Americans who don’t have health insurance or are being denied care because of pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps on spending or other injustices -- all for the sick goal of undermining President Obama. Fortunately, about a third of the country -- moderate and swing voters -- haven’t made up their mind and are ready to listen to the president, who needs to a better job in the 2012 campaign of defining the benefits of his health care reform. But especially when faced with the alternative -- a Republcan Party increasingly concerned only with the health and well-being of the 1% -- voters will back the president and their own best interest to have health and prosperity for all Americans.

Of course, also in the vein of A1's posts, if anyone finds anything glaringly wrong in that post, hey! Don't yell at me, I didn't write it. FOX news published it, they are the "fair and balanced" conservative friendly news sight.. call them with your complaints and fact checking.

The injection in question is probably the Vitamin K injection, which is customary. But whether or not it's necessary is debatable. There are even concerns of it raising the risk of cancer in kids. And the parents usually have the right to decline it.

That said, I used to work in a hospital. And I saw that kind of attitude from the medical staff frequently. They would often deceive and coerce the patients, "for their own good". This was before Obama was even a Presidential candidate. So it has nothing to do with ObamaCare, and everything to do with crappy attitudes.

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quote What will you do when Obama is no longer in office 4 or so years from now? Who will be the next "evil"?

The next person in charge of course. I didn't remove the anti-Obama comments when I quoted the article, because then some would have complained about me doing so.

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: The next person in charge of course. I didn't remove the anti-Obama comments when I quoted the article, because then some would have complained about me doing so.

Probably would have found an account on an actual news source if it really happened. But then the home schooling association couldn't raise money in an actual news story.

This all sounds like a good reason to video the birth of your child or at least have a voice recorder going.

"I didn't write it.."

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: You should have shot her.

But only after " standing your ground "

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: You should have shot her.

Ammunition is too expensive to waste on piles of poo like that social worker. Large sticks do better at spreading the poo around than small chunks of lead...

Just sayin'