http://news.yahoo.com/blogs...ing-1-201751693.html
this makes me sick her reason for still taking it she has 2 house and no job lol. im ready to spit nails at her . i take joy in knowing she will be broke in 6months

Why am I not surprised this happened in Michigan? The Democrats need to recuit her to run for office!

I can't speak for democrats, but what makes you think that they would support this jerk? Is it all "democrats bad, republicans good" with you?

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Its wrong with the USA? No, just some people that live here.

dan here is one same state less than a year ago
http://abcnews.go.com/Busin...ps/story?id=13632236
the sad part is a lot of the kids feel they should get a free ride

quote Originally posted by dratts: I can't speak for democrats, but what makes you think that they would support this jerk? Is it all "democrats bad, republicans good" with you?

Well can you tell me something good about them?

I know they founded the KKK, fought to prevent women from getting the right to vote, spun off the Dixie-crats, yelled "Segregation NOW", have 2.5 times as many members conviced of felonies as Republicans, beleive in bigger government and less individual choice, are bankrupting my kids, gave us the "raw deal" and "the not-so-great scoiety", imprisoned Japanese, German, and Italian Americans for being...Japanese, German, and Italian Americans. Voted down the Civil Rights Act for 7 years until Kennedy got behind it...

But I'm listening

Waiting for you to tell me something wrong with republicans. Is it ALL democrats?

I also didn't read anything in the article that would imply any support by or affiliation with a political party. Personally, I find her attitude despicable. I also wonder how with $500,000 won after taxes and no job she has a $1 million home (and another one and a new car). Maybe lending standards are too lax?

I also think that the Dems are the saner party now but not always have been...

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: Maybe lending standards are too lax?

Far too lax ( still ). This is part of what got us in to this financial mess in the first place. And it hasn't changed much after the collapse.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Well can you tell me something good about them? I know they founded the KKK, fought to prevent women from getting the right to vote, spun off the Dixie-crats, yelled "Segregation NOW", have 2.5 times as many members conviced of felonies as Republicans, beleive in bigger government and less individual choice, are bankrupting my kids, gave us the "raw deal" and "the not-so-great scoiety", imprisoned Japanese, German, and Italian Americans for being...Japanese, German, and Italian Americans. Voted down the Civil Rights Act for 7 years until Kennedy got behind it... But I'm listening

Ayup republicans are the salt of the earth just like you Todd

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ayup they are perfect everyone of them

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Ha ha. I remember a segment on MTV one time about ODB (Ol' Dirty B*stard) still getting food stamps for his family after hitting it big. They showed him using them and laughing about it.

It's all about getting something for nothing, you know what I'm sayin?

If they aren't breaking the law, then they ain't doing anything wrong.
At least that what I have heard here again & again, about all kinds of "loopholes".

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: I also think that the Dems are the saner party now but not always have been...

John F. Kennedy would be, rolling in his grave, if he saw what his Democratic party has become. The party of JFK was what a lot of young people could aspire too. He made people democrats and republicans proud to be a part of country that worked together not just compromised that accomplished goals. Yes he made mistakes, every president has, but the people believed and trusted in him. Because he had stated goals and was a Leader not someone who got commitees and focus groups.

Once at that time I was young and aspiring, today its a case of someone wanting something with someone else to pay for it. (Socialism)

quote Originally posted by Nurb432: Far too lax ( still ). This is part of what got us in to this financial mess in the first place. And it hasn't changed much after the collapse.

No need to change when you can get $700,000,000,000 from the government by signing a 3 page agreement.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Well can you tell me something good about them? I know they founded the KKK, fought to prevent women from getting the right to vote, spun off the Dixie-crats, yelled "Segregation NOW", have 2.5 times as many members conviced of felonies as Republicans, beleive in bigger government and less individual choice, are bankrupting my kids, gave us the "raw deal" and "the not-so-great scoiety", imprisoned Japanese, German, and Italian Americans for being...Japanese, German, and Italian Americans. Voted down the Civil Rights Act for 7 years until Kennedy got behind it... But I'm listening

Now Toddster, you know they are the Smart Kids. lol

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: If they aren't breaking the law, then they ain't doing anything wrong. At least that what I have heard here again & again, about all kinds of "loopholes".

That only works when you're rich...oh, wait a minute... she is. Oh snap, they're correct again.

quote Originally posted by fierobrian: dan here is one same state less than a year ago http://abcnews.go.com/Busin...ps/story?id=13632236 the sad part is a lot of the kids feel they should get a free ride

He's bankrupt now and in jail.... lived about 20 miles from me.

Edit: My dad thinks his lawyer hid his money from the son.... thus he might not be bankrupt, but his house is for sale.

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I saw her interviewed on the nightly news last nite. Shes completely comfortable with it because they still give it to her. She says shes still not working, so why shouldnt she get it. With some of her winnings, she bought a new car and 2 homes. She says she has to pay bills for those and needs the money. Gee she after renting a dump, she now owns 2 houses and her complaint is she has to pay gas and electric for both of them....

What they should do everywhere is check winners names with people recieving any assistance, welfare or whatever and immediately discontinue it. I def dont have a problem with them keeping their disability or social security payments but thats about it.

For anyone that wants to blame POVERTY for the problems associated with the poor, this kind of thing is your case study that it ISN'T poverty.

There is a mind set and behavior that RESULTS in poverty. It isn't poverty that MAKES the behavioral problems.

Her financial status changed. Her mind set didn't.


Anyone want to guess how long it is before she is back in poverty? Having lost both houses and all assets that go with it?

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Is it OK to chant, "USA, USA, USA" in this thread?

This is what seperates the US from the rest of the world. Something like this would be unheard of anywhere else.

BTW, if it hasn't been mentioned, she can get "food stamps" because of her income, which is not the same as lottery winnings. This was supposed to be addressed by the state government.... one day. Sigh.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: I saw her interviewed on the nightly news last nite. Shes completely comfortable with it because they still give it to her. She says shes still not working, so why shouldnt she get it. With some of her winnings, she bought a new car and 2 homes. She says she has to pay bills for those and needs the money. Gee she after renting a dump, she now owns 2 houses and her complaint is she has to pay gas and electric for both of them.... What they should do everywhere is check winners names with people recieving any assistance, welfare or whatever and immediately discontinue it. I def dont have a problem with them keeping their disability or social security payments but thats about it.

Not only THAT, Roger..they should take back every penny they have HAD from the 'State'. EVERY DARNED PENNY

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Why am I not surprised this happened in Michigan? The Democrats need to recuit her to run for office!

Oh so this is a left vs right thing? I thought it would have more to do with individual actions and responsibilities. Silly me.

What about the wealthy collecting Social Security, even though they do not need it? Like say.. Ronald Reagan when he was the president? Is there any difference? We all put money into unemployment, we all put money into SS.. while we are working. Why is she any less entitled to collect that money, since she qualifies, than Reagan was since he qualified for Social Security?

Maybe we should start basing unemployment and Social Security on more than just employment earnings.. other things like capital gains and net worth come to mind.

Edit to add: Foodstamps too. Duh!

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: Oh so this is a left vs right thing? I thought it would have more to do with individual actions and responsibilities. Silly me. What about the wealthy collecting Social Security, even though they do not need it? Like say.. Ronald Reagan when he was the president? Is there any difference? We all put money into unemployment, we all put money into SS.. while we are working. Why is she any less entitled to collect that money, since she qualifies, than Reagan was since he qualified for Social Security? Maybe we should start basing unemployment and Social Security on more than just employment earnings.. other things like capital gains and net worth come to mind.

Isn't SSI setup to be a retirement fund? I have every intention of collecting the personal finance fund that I have setup when I retire. Why wouldn't I cash out the government mandated one too?

quote Originally posted by ls3mach: Isn't SSI setup to be a retirement fund? I have every intention of collecting the personal finance fund that I have setup when I retire. Why wouldn't I cash out the government mandated one too?

I suspect you are close to my age, I would not get to comfortable with the idea of collecting SS at all. It's set to go in the can the very year I am scheduled to begin collecting on it. Hooray!

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: I suspect you are close to my age, I would not get to comfortable with the idea of collecting SS at all. It's set to go in the can the very year I am scheduled to begin collecting on it. Hooray!

I thought you were a bit older than me. I am only 27. I have no notion: That it will exist when I am retirement age. That I will make it to retirement age. That I won't have my own retirement funds in place. It looks like 2036 is the year that it is going, so I am guessing you will be 38 this year? Some reason I thought you were in your early 40s.

On a side note, I would opt out and forfeit all of the money I have currently paid in if I could. I would even consider paying for it a few more years and opt out if it came up available. 5 years during some of my peak earning times in my life to get out of the whole Ponzi scheme would be fine by me

EDIT. Ah poop. I forgot to comment on the original article. $1,000,000 isn't that much money. While it would change my life drastically, I could definitely see how someone could blow through it. If I received that kind of sum in bulk, I would not buy anything or spend any of it without a lot of careful consideration and possibly counseling from a couple financial planners, CPA and probably a couple tax consultants.

I imagine this woman was already in a good deal of debt. Little to no education. Children, possibly from different fathers and likely they weren't actively in the child's life. This money answered her prayers. However, people who are stupid typically aren't self aware. She will likely squander the funds and be in worse shape than before. I do think government benefits should take into consideration assets and all income earned. Ideally though, the best way to stop this type of outrage and abuse of the system is to not have a system at all. People being required to be responsible. KOOKY

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Legislation already in the works... http://michiganvotes.org/Le...ation.aspx?ID=141405
BTW 5 Democrats voted for the bill and the rest against.
Introduced by Rep. David Agema (R) on October 4, 2011, to place in statute a $5,000 asset cap for determining financial eligibility for food stamps (this is already done administratively); and also to include money won in lottery or other gambling as part of “countable income” for purposes of determining eligibility for food stamps and other state welfare benefits.
Referred to the House Family, Children, and Seniors Committee on October 4, 2011.
Reported in the House on February 14, 2012, with the recommendation that the substitute (H-4) be adopted and that the bill then pass.
Substitute offered in the House on February 16, 2012, to replace the previous version of the bill with one that revises details but does not change the substance as previously described. The substitute passed by voice vote in the House on February 16, 2012.
Amendment offered by Rep. Maureen Stapleton (D) on February 16, 2012, to strip out the provision requiring the state welfare department to apply an asset test to food stamp eligibility determinations. The amendment failed by voice vote in the House on February 16, 2012.
Passed 67 to 39 in the House on February 21, 2012, to explicitly authorize in statute an asset cap for determining financial eligibility for food stamps (this is already done administratively, with the current cap at $5,000); and also to include money won in lottery or other gambling as part of “countable income” for purposes of determining eligibility for food stamps and other state welfare benefits.
Who Voted "Yes" and Who Voted "No"
Received in the Senate on February 22, 2012.
Referred to the Senate Families, Seniors & Human Services Committee on February 22, 2012.

quote Originally posted by ls3mach: I thought you were a bit older than me. I am only 27. I have no notion: That it will exist when I am retirement age. That I will make it to retirement age. That I won't have my own retirement funds in place. It looks like 2036 is the year that it is going, so I am guessing you will be 38 this year? Some reason I thought you were in your early 40s.

It must be the mileage LOL! Yeah I am 37 this year, and getting no younger. And I am with you, I would gladly forfeit my SS now if they would just can the whole program immediately. Tired of paying into something that will not help me one iota when I need it.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: I would gladly forfeit my SS now if they would just can the whole program immediately. Tired of paying into something that will not help me one iota when I need it.

Hello, be careful as you get older (or wiser) people tend to get more conservative, at least with their own money. Youre on the edge of sounding like one, LOL.

I have no problem with anyone getting social security when they reach retirement age. Its their own money in the first place. You had it taken out of your income to be paid back when you retired. Just because your a billionaire or a vagrant dont have anything to do with it. It would be nice if you donated it to a charity if you were wealthy enough not to need it.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: ....... I also wonder how with $500,000 won after taxes and no job she has a $1 million home (and another one and a new car). Maybe lending standards are too lax?

That caught my eye as well. I predict a foreclosure in her future.

I saw on the news that she has been dropped from the stamps. The ex prosecutor was saying that she was required to notify them if her financial situation changed so the fact that she didn't could be considered fraud.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: If they aren't breaking the law, then they ain't doing anything wrong. At least that what I have heard here again & again, about all kinds of "loopholes".

That is 100% correct. If its a loophole, its legal. May not be "moral" ( which is relative ), but legal.

quote Originally posted by dratts: I saw on the news that she has been dropped from the stamps. The ex prosecutor was saying that she was required to notify them if her financial situation changed so the fact that she didn't could be considered fraud.

I hope they put her in jail for fraud (in a multi-million dollar facility where she can enjoy more food at the taxpayers' expense).

quote Originally posted by carnut122: I hope they put her in jail for fraud (in a multi-million dollar facility where she can enjoy more food at the taxpayers' expense).

For that sort of fraud it will more likely be a fine, repayment from the point she didn't follow the rules, and banishment from applying again in the future.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: If they aren't breaking the law, then they ain't doing anything wrong. At least that what I have heard here again & again, about all kinds of "loopholes".

True indeed, tho the OPs disagrrement with the lottery winner isn't about legalities. IMO, it's akin to Warren Buffett drawing SS. He is probably entitled to it, but he should decline it simply because he really doesn't need it.

I had great problems with my own father drawing both SS and being on medicare, when he reached age 65, and it led to several verbal altercations between us. He wasn't a lottery winner or a multi-millionare, but he could easily have done without drawing either or both. I have already stated several times what my own intentions are regarding entitlements.

quote Originally posted by normsf: Hello, be careful as you get older (or wiser) people tend to get more conservative, at least with their own money. Youre on the edge of sounding like one, LOL.

Don't even get me started on Welfare abusers, Norm.

Don't worry, I will always be pro-gay marriage and a Medical Marijuana activist to balance my fiscal conservatism.