Yeah see, he'll still be the Chairman of the Board. You know less work, same salary and benefits, less publicity and stress, and he can retire like a normal employee. And because he has seniority and is in fact Steve Jobs, I'm sure he'll be able to throw his weight when he wants too.
People worship him like a living god. It disturbs me. I hope Apple can make it out alive, but rejoice in him leaving only so I don't have to feel so uncomfortable every time people talk about him like Jesus-returned.
Not that the company can't go on without him... but...
No, its been proven it cant. Remember how bad they were just before he returned? Apple was doing well before he was ousted, and they went to hell in a hand basket nearly overnight while it was being driven by a 'outsider'.
Personally i don't like Steve as i think hes a jerk, but he gave them direction ( and focus ) and genuinely cared abut his company. It really was HIS ( well, both Steves, but you get the point.. ) company that he helped build from nothing, and not some corporate stuffed shirt that swooped in due to a job offering and has no emotional stake.
I give them 5 years before they are once again a small player, or worse.
People worship him like a living god. It disturbs me. I hope Apple can make it out alive, but rejoice in him leaving only so I don't have to feel so uncomfortable every time people talk about him like Jesus-returned.
People don't worship him as a god. But that said, anyone that has accomplished that much in life should be respected.
I give them 5 years before they are once again a small player, or worse.
Apple today is a completely different company than Apple circa 1997. The iPod/iPhone are nearly unstoppable, and the Apple computer market has been growing steadily, as compatibility and processor speeds have both improved. Unless there's one HELL of a paradigm shift in technology in the next 5 years, I don't see them falling too far behind.
And for the record, Woz >>>>>>>>> Jobs, although Jobs has the charisma and passion you don't see in 99% of world leaders.
People don't worship him as a god. But that said, anyone that has accomplished that much in life should be respected.
"People" may not, but Apple's stockholders do. They pitched a big fit last time he took a medical leave of abscence and demanded an explanation. No company should be structured such that they can't be just as successful no matter what the CEO/CFO or owner does.
I with The BDub on this one--you have to read the comments all the Apple fanboys leave anytime Steve Jobs sneezes--you'd think Godzilla was running rampant and destroying NYC.
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........as compatibility and processor speeds have both improved.
Compatibility and speed....in other words Intel Processors....in other words Apple finally giving in to the PC style market. Now I can load Windows on a Macbook Air without some Apple OS on there first and have a great running and looking laptop. Pretty soon the only thing Apple will be good for is IPads and IPhones and let Bill Gates handle the rest of the computer market.
Apple today is a completely different company than Apple circa 1997. The iPod/iPhone are nearly unstoppable, and the Apple computer market has been growing steadily, as compatibility and processor speeds have both improved. Unless there's one HELL of a paradigm shift in technology in the next 5 years, I don't see them falling too far behind.
And for the record, Woz >>>>>>>>> Jobs, although Jobs has the charisma and passion you don't see in 99% of world leaders.
in the old days there was no apple without either of them. Woz was no business man, and Jobs was no engineer.
Yes today's apple is not yesterday's apple, but i still say that without a clear direction from a 'invested' founder, they will end up like any other large corporation has. Please note i have been an apple fan since day 2, so i do hope im wrong but no matter what happens, it wont be the same.
Compatibility and speed....in other words Intel Processors....in other words Apple finally giving in to the PC style market. Now I can load Windows on a Macbook Air without some Apple OS on there first and have a great running and looking laptop. Pretty soon the only thing Apple will be good for is IPads and IPhones and let Bill Gates handle the rest of the computer market.
i also agree on the switch to commodity hardware and its eventual fall-out for the computer side of the house. But i do see why they did it too, it vastly reduced R&D costs, and im not so sure we would have ever saw a G5 laptop due to power/heat issues.
When you have one person holding up an entire company, it is prime to fail. If Steve was out of Apple completely, the company would not be the same, and may even shrink. Steve is an idol to many. Do was what Steve says....
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Posts: 13797 From: Palm Bay, Florida Registered: Nov 1999
Steve Jobs navigated Apple very very well. His input & guidance very much created the tech world we now walk in. But, as mentioned above - he is no engineer. But, I expect that is what free'd him to think differently, and "out of the box". the "I" market Pod/Phone/Pad/Tunes is amazing. I myself dont use any of it - but I do use stuff which is a directly decended from that pioneering. Apple is above industry standards. which is also its shortcoming. Maybe now the I-phone can get a Flash Player?
He's dying of pancreatic cancer. I doubt he's got a year left, will probably be dead by Christmas. And that's a shame. Apple would not exist if it weren't for him. And, as much as I despise their products, I have an incredible respect for the vision and engineering that goes into them. It's some of the best in the world.
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its not Apple's fault, its Adobe's fault that flash is a insecure resource sucking pig that promotes sloppy ( and annoying ) coding.
What is Apple's response? QuickTime or iTunes? I find iTunes to be slow and constantly needing updates. Flash is here to stay for quite some time, even with HTML5, and Apple will let Adobe on, one day, as they will have to, so as to compete.
What is Apple's response? QuickTime or iTunes? I find iTunes to be slow and constantly needing updates. Flash is here to stay for quite some time, even with HTML5, and Apple will let Adobe on, one day, as they will have to, so as to compete.
QT and itunes really aren't the same sort of thing that flash is ( flash is far more than just being able to watch a movie. that is more of a side effect ). HTML5 is. HTML5 is the future. ( and ya it can get screwed up too, but its next in line )
I don't think I'm too close, and i don't worship him. ( now Woz, you might have me on that, but not Jobs )
Respect for what? You were joking right?
Not joking at all. I could possibly respect that he made a lot of money for himself and a Corporation, and I could respect how he is/was able to get lemmings to follow his every move. Other than that... I never could mindlessly follow someone just because a crowd of people do. He's lied, and cheated to get where he is today.
You never answered my question and just added your own question. Are you avoiding the subject while you search for something...anything to try and find some way to make it a legitimate point?
Brad
Edit to add: Please don't take all this as a personal attack against you. People can like what they want. And dislike what they want. I just think people shouldn't be ashamed of who they are, what they like, dislike etc.
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Aug 26th, 2011
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Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
QT and itunes really aren't the same sort of thing that flash is ( flash is far more than just being able to watch a movie. that is more of a side effect ). HTML5 is. HTML5 is the future. ( and ya it can get screwed up too, but its next in line )
I was thinking movies for the most part. but HTML 5 doesn't replace flash, as HTML 5 is really just for video (well, that part of HTML5). Flash is here to stay for a while, just like JAVA...
The only real solution for Apple is for everyone to have apps, and there wouldn't be a website. That way Apple could make more money off their app store. (Not that I agree with this).
Not joking at all. I could possibly respect that he made a lot of money for himself and a Corporation, and I could respect how he is/was able to get lemmings to follow his every move. Other than that... I never could mindlessly follow someone just because a crowd of people do. He's lied, and cheated to get where he is today.
You never answered my question and just added your own question. Are you avoiding the subject while you search for something...anything to try and find some way to make it a legitimate point?
Brad
Edit to add: Please don't take all this as a personal attack against you. People can like what they want. And dislike what they want. I just think people shouldn't be ashamed of who they are, what they like, dislike etc.
I thought i did answer it, that i don't feel I'm too close to the situation. Or did i misunderstand the question?
As far as respect, it has nothing to do with the people who follow others blindly, or if one likes or dislike the products, or even the person. He was able to harness Woz's engineering skills and pretty much from nothing built a multinational company worth billions in a single lifetime. Not everyone can pull that off. Hes also one of a handful of people from the 80's that fundamentally shaped the world we live in today.
And to clarify again, I *don't* like him personally, as i think he's a jerk, but i can still respect his accomplishments. ( and as much as it pains me, the same sort of feelings go to Gates, and several others from that era that i'm not fond of, but did accomplish quite a bit )
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I was thinking movies for the most part. but HTML 5 doesn't replace flash, as HTML 5 is really just for video (well, that part of HTML5). Flash is here to stay for a while, just like JAVA...
The only real solution for Apple is for everyone to have apps, and there wouldn't be a website. That way Apple could make more money off their app store. (Not that I agree with this).
I could be wrong, but my understanding of both flash and HTML 5 is that they are development "environments", that also happen to do video. While i agree a lot of people only care about the video support, to me its far more than that. But that's just me
Its always sad to see people waste away like that, no matter who they are. Cancer sucks. Bad.
So true, I watched my grandfather(was 6'3" and 300+ as an iron worker) waste away to near nothing(he weighed 90lbs when he died) when he passed from various cancers.
This (along with a recent celeb passing) shows that cancer doesn't know the difference between celeb and "normal" people.
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