quote Originally posted by Darth Fiero: Would you consider yourself to be a liberal? If not, what? Would you say there are neo-lib's out there that you don't approve of? What is your stance on personal rights and the rights the constitution guarantees 'we the people'?

I donot like haters and those who lie
or people who want everybody in a neatly labeled box

I have been called a commie and a nazi on the same day
I am a member of no party
and I do not follow leaders
I do study history

there are lots of people I disapprove of
but I have no idea what you think a neo-lib is
but think many moderates are miss labled lib by nut-con's

I think my personal rights should be constitution guarantees
but under rightwing Fla government are often violated

the world is a very complex and complicated place
simpleton solutions can have unknown results
others are eazy to see how they lead to disaster


I think most tea-puppets are duped
and most of their program [tax cut cut cut spending cut cut cut]
will result in depression not recovery

Honestly, your post is so full of contradiction and hypocrisy I wouldn't even know where to begin.

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: Honestly, your post is so full of contradiction and hypocrisy I wouldn't even know where to begin.

try
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quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: Honestly, your post is so full of contradiction and hypocrisy I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I agree, not sure he even was looking for a response.

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Here's something to add to your thread. BTW, I don't agree with anything like this in spite of what I think of any flavor of politician.

http://teapartyzombiesmustdie.com/

I see somebody beat me to it.

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quote Originally posted by carnut122: Here's something to add to your thread. BTW, I don't agree with anything like this in spite of what I think of any flavor of politician. http://teapartyzombiesmustdie.com/ I see somebody beat me to it.

As insulted as many are about things like this, and Obama's stupid remarks, and Hoffa; I actually like it. It means that the movement is scaring the living **** out of some people. And in my opinion, that's a good thing. Especially when you consider WHO it is that are so scared.

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yes but you donot understand what we are afraid of

it is not that nut-con's have powerful ideas that are sure to fix things
history proves cuts in spending donot cure recessions

but that the results will be a complete horror and long lasting a 1930's rerun

so do you understand the risks

do you have any evidence the slash and burn cuts the tp'ers want
have ever worked anywhere and time
[note the bear tryed to BS me that calvin the cool had done that in the early 1920's ]
but I reminded him it all came crashing down in oct 1929
and delaying is NOT fixing

or very very like religion
is belief in tp dogma all you need
and contrary evidence is hand waved away

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: As insulted as many are about things like this, and Obama's stupid remarks, and Hoffa; I actually like it. It means that the movement is scaring the living **** out of some people. And in my opinion, that's a good thing. Especially when you consider WHO it is that are so scared.

That is how you KNOW you're getting to them. The more s*** they throw at us, the more scared they are that we actually are gaining power.

"“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mahatma Ghandi

calvin the cool left office in march 1929
7 months later we had the start of the GREAT DEPRESSION

you can handwave all you want
but if everything falls apart that quickly
the old-con program quickly FAILED TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY

and today our current neo-cons want a basic rerun of his failed programs
repeated retrying the same thing expecting a different result is the
CLASSIC DEFINITION OF INSANITY

ESP WITH DEREG and MARKETS KNOW BEST that is a basic part of your DOGMA

quote Originally posted by ray b: calvin the cool left office in march 1929 7 months later we had the start of the GREAT DEPRESSION

And how did he cause a crash 7 months AFTER he left office?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: And how did he cause a crash 7 months AFTER he left office?

probably alot like how Clinton caused the crash which happened 6 years after he left office....
of course, with the help of the Republicans....no one can screw up an economy like the Republicans.....

quote Originally posted by ray b: yes but you donot understand what we are afraid of it is not that nut-con's have powerful ideas that are sure to fix things history proves cuts in spending donot cure recessions but that the results will be a complete horror and long lasting a 1930's rerun so do you understand the risks do you have any evidence the slash and burn cuts the tp'ers want have ever worked anywhere and time [note the bear tryed to BS me that calvin the cool had done that in the early 1920's ] but I reminded him it all came crashing down in oct 1929 and delaying is NOT fixing or very very like religion is belief in tp dogma all you need and contrary evidence is hand waved away

When we adhered to the Constitution, we were the most powerful country on planet, with the best industry, the strongest economy, and the respect of every other country, including even those who feared us. Now we've veered so far from the concepts that our founding fathers laid out for us, we have an all but completely collapsed economy, just about every country on the planet hates us, and even our "friends" merely tolerate us, and our industry is siphoning off to other countries.

You can nitpick the details all you want, and argue about abortion, health care, and same sex marriage, but trying to shove your finger in a hole in a dyke when the whole thing is crumbling around you is a waste of time. At some point you have to decide that what you're doing isn't working, and choose a new path. There may be another path, but the proven one is to follow the constitution. None of the existing parties want to do that, save the "true" tea party people; those being the ones who are loyal RP followers.
Everyone is trying to hold on so tight to what they think they have, and no one recognizes that they are gripping the life out of our country.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: And how did he cause a crash 7 months AFTER he left office?

economics is not a instant response type program
there are known delays between changes and results
sometimes 7 months is a quick result

your side blames carter's CRA for effects 20+ years after it was passed in to law
but you question 7 months delay in the 20's
get real you can't have it both ways

quote Originally posted by ray b: DEREG and MARKETS KNOW BEST that is a basic part of your DOGMA

The opposite of this is why we are currently tanked.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: The opposite of this is why we are currently tanked.

no again and again you guys post DOGMA and pretend that DOGMA = FACTS


the fact are as follows

GOP guys appointed by BuSh2 were in charge of the fed agency's and agendas
and they used nut-con dogma of markets know best and limited regulation [ dereg]
that got us madeoff and his ponzie clones bad loans bad loan swap BS
that caused a house price bubble and crash that crashed the markets [who did not know chit let alone best]
and led directly to tooo big too fail rescue plans

GOP DOGMA CAUSED THE RECESSION
AND TRYING MORE, & HARDER THE SAME DOGMA
WILL CREATE DEPRESSION

WE NEED NEW IDEAS
NOT NUT-CON RERUNS

quote Originally posted by ray b: calvin the cool left office in march 1929 7 months later we had the start of the GREAT DEPRESSION

Johnny likes apples

Apples come from trees

Therefore, Johnny must like trees.

This ends today's lesson in 'leaps of stupidy'

quote Originally posted by ray b: your solution is not to repair the dikes but to blow them up remember our Constitution was a replacement for the failed articles of confederation that was very limited government AND IT FAILED tea-puppets want to return to the failed articles of confederation level of very very limited government and not real the Constitutional law that we have now

The success or failure of the articles isn't relevant. What is relevant is that the constitution that was drafted from them was a stellar success, until our government began to shift towards an authoritarian government, which is NOT what the constitution defines. And if we ever want to be the super power we once were, we will need to return to its roots or we're finished. You can try to create a circular argument if you want, but facts is facts, and what we're doing ain't working.And anyone who thinks that moving FURTHER in the direction that don't work is somehow a solution is just too stuck to their ideas to be reasonable.

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: I guess ACORN, Fanny Mae, and Freddie Mac had no part in the housing problem, right? Oh wait, that' can't be, those are liberal programs, can't assign any responsibility there. (Plus being mainly oriented towards minorities we much remain silent or be accused of racism....ssssshhhhhhhh) Here's a new idea- let's get rid of the fed altogether...oh wait, is that too much of change? Guess we need more of the same, just in smaller doses?

jackson tryed that [ closed the fed bank ]
the result was massive depression and job loss
why do you not research the history of your plans
most are summed up by
we tryed that it FAILED

DOGMA does not equal truth

quote Originally posted by ray b: jackson tryed that [ closed the fed bank ] the result was massive depression and job loss why do you not research the history of your plans most are summed up by we tryed that it FAILED DOGMA does not equal truth

You're over-simplifying by trying to say it was the end of second bank of the US that caused the problems. But it's fine, we can keep on the path we're on and nothing will change. It seems like what everyone wants anyway.

HOW ABOUT NEW IDEAS

all the teapuppets plans are old ideas that were tryed and FAILED

we could try old ideas that worked
or new ideas

but retrying ideasthat history shows have failed
is way beyond DUMB dogma

quote Originally posted by ray b: economics is not a instant response type program there are known delays between changes and results sometimes 7 months is a quick result

OK, what did Coolidge DO at the end of his term that caused the stock market crash?

Also, what does lowering taxes and cutting government spending have to do with a stock market crash? Link those factors for us, if you think you can.

quote your side blames carter's CRA for effects 20+ years after it was passed in to law but you question 7 months delay in the 20's get real you can't have it both ways

No, it STARTED with the CRA.

Obama involved in a lawsuit against banks, forcing them to make loans to low income borrowers
http://www.mediacircus.com/...t-to-make-bad-loans/

ACORN pressuring banks
http://www.nationalreview.c...saster/stanley-kurtz

More history, Clinton pressured banks to make the loans
http://www.campaignforliber.../article.php?view=22

quote Originally posted by ray b: HOW ABOUT NEW IDEAS all the teapuppets plans are old ideas that were tryed and FAILED we could try old ideas that worked or new ideas but retrying ideasthat history shows have failed is way beyond DUMB dogma

lol - CONSERVATIVE. the name by itself should help explain this.
new = no. they have no forsight - only hindsight.
listening to these kinds, and man would never have left the trees....

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quote Originally posted by newf:

You do realize that for a hit piece it was a bit sad.
Out if a crowd that big no matter what the cause, if that is all he could do, he is either a buffoon, or it shows the Tea Party is more informed than most of the protests.
Most lose it as soon as the mic is in their face and the red light on the camera is on.

Ever see the "Obama Bucks" one?

like some eggs with all that spam ??????

posts like that just show how little tea-puppets think for themselfs
and how much is fed to them by the puppetmasters

the teaparty is ASTROTURF it has no roots
and no grass
but somebody is behind that curtain

quote Originally posted by ray b: like some eggs with all that spam ?????? posts like that just show how little tea-puppets think for themselfs and how much is fed to them by the puppetmasters the teaparty is ASTROTURF it has no roots and no grass but somebody is behind that curtain

Have you ever seen the Obama bucks video?
Funny $hit.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: Have you ever seen the Obama bucks video? Funny $hit.

There are a bunch on youtube with that name. Which one are you talking about?

Ecclesiastes 10:2

This will probably go over the rabid one's head. Maybe I should make it my new signature.

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: OK, what did Coolidge DO at the end of his term that caused the stock market crash? Also, what does lowering taxes and cutting government spending have to do with a stock market crash? Link those factors for us, if you think you can. No, it STARTED with the CRA. Obama involved in a lawsuit against banks, forcing them to make loans to low income borrowers

you know the house price bubble and crash
had little to do with red lined ghetto property
or loans for those property's and that is all CRA covered
CRA is a small grain blow up by the GOP spin machine

and that brings us back to calvin the cool
and not so much what he did
but just as in the house bubble
what was not done or was too little too late
DEREGULATION and hands off markets know best ideologues
GOP DOGMA did the damages
bought us both calvin the cool's depression
and the current BuSh2 mess

or in basic terms
people cheat in markets
GOP dogma said do NOT even try to catch them [ dereg]
or worry about that [markets know best]

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: Ecclesiastes 10:2 This will probably go over the rabid one's head. Maybe I should make it my new signature.

So i'm at the wrong job?
I can't get there without going left...

Yes you can. Three rights make a left.