Newly-minted Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry raised the idea of turning to Predator drones to help secure the country's border with Mexico during a stop in New Hampshire over the weekend, the Boston Globe reports.
According to the local outlet:
Perry noted many unarmed aircraft are already flown in the area each day as practice for the Air Force pilots who will guide them overseas.
The Texas governor asked, “Why not be flying those missions and using that real-time information to help our law enforcement?” He added, "Because if we will commit to that, I will suggest to you that we will be able to drive the drug cartels away from that border.”
It's not the first time Perry has floated the idea of incorporating Predator drones into efforts to secure the border. During an interview on Fox News last year, the Lone Star State Republican made the same suggestion. He said, "My question to this administration, how many Americans have to die on that border before you really understand we need boots on the ground, a law enforcement presence, National Guard troops, predator drones flying in the air, that technology that those pieces of equipment have to give real-time information to law enforcement, to the local police chiefs?"
Around the same time, Perry appeared to express a willingness to deploy U.S. troops across the border to bolster the fight being waged against Mexican drug cartels.
"I think we have to use every aspect of law enforcement that we have including the military," he said during an appearance on MSNBC. "I think we have the same situation as we had in Colombia. Obviously, Mexico has to approve any type of assistance that we can give them."
See the video at the provided link of what Perry had to say at the time. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't think this is just Presidential Candidate talk, I think he really believes what he's saying, he's been riding that same theme for a while now. If so, I like his position. I'll be following this campaign, every vote counts and we need someone different leading this country. I don't see the other candidates as being the one for the job, at least not at this time.
Predator drones and similar technology are wonderful tools, why aren't we using more of them?
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He's already on record as soft on immigration, and backed Gore in 98.. He looked good at first glance, but the TeaParty is going to nail him as another "politician"
Sorry still like Christie, the fundies don't like his soft pro-life stance, but that's a distant second to the economy and budget at this point.
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Posts: 3745 From: Nashville,TN,USA Registered: May 2004
The real question is, is he electable in the general election? He has tons of experience, unlike the neophyte currently sitting in the White House, who still has 16 months to drive the country off a cliff, and is doing so remarkably rapidly. This country has survived many things, but I honestly do not think it would be able to recover from eight years of our bungler-in-chief.
EDIT: His handlers, if they're smart, will get him to tone down that Texas twang...he sounds just enough like Dubya to make some people nervous.
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Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
Just two questions, if you please: 1) What about Sarah Palin? I thought she was the one to carry the teabag banner and save the USA from the evil liberals? 2) Why isn't this thread marked as politics? Is checking the "political" box when you start a political thread too complicated for you, blackrams? Your inability to do that simple thing says a lot about the intelligence of the far right fringe, if you ask me.
Cordially, NEPTUNE.
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htexans1 Member
Posts: 9110 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
They should be (my opinion) but given they are(going to be) domesticly operated, probably not.
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Just two questions, if you please: 1) What about Sarah Palin? I thought she was the one to carry the teabag banner and save the USA from the evil liberals? 2) Why isn't this thread marked as politics? Is checking the "political" box when you start a thread too complicated for you? Your inability to do that says a lot about the intelligence of the far right fringe, if you ask me.
The thread is about the Texas governor, not Mrs. Palin.
The OP can label his thread anyway he likes (as I am sure he did)
And the "right fringe" 's "Intelligence" is not reflected by a single poster.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 31841 From: Hattiesburg, MS, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Just two questions, if you please: 1) What about Sarah Palin? I thought she was the one to carry the teabag banner and save the USA from the evil liberals? 2) Why isn't this thread marked as politics? Is checking the "political" box when you start a thread too complicated for you? Your inability to do that says a lot about the intelligence of the far right fringe, if you ask me.
Two Answers: 1) I know not of what you speak, I know of no teabaggers. You can look all you want but, I doubt you'll find me praising Ms. Palin as the leader of the Tea Party. 2) My choice, this is just as much about using Predators and border security as politics. Too complicated? Your sense of superiority overwhelms you. Also, I don't believe I belong to the far right wing (I'm just far right of your position.) but, it's your option to put what ever label you want on me, it doesn't have to be accurate. Oh, BTW, no one was asking you.
Have a great day.
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Considering he has been our Governor and Lt Gov before that, and that I've already said I'm not really crazy about him due to his stances on many things--not the least of which was open support of the land grab known as the Trans Texas Corridor (before THE PEOPLE of Texas put an end to that landgrab) I can attest to the fact that he very much is---a politician. He would have to be the only conservative option available for me to vote for him. But, having said that:
Richard Fisher, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, dropped by our offices this week and relayed a remarkable fact: Some 37% of all net new American jobs since the recovery began were created in Texas. Mr. Fisher’s study is a lesson in what works in economic policy—and it is worth pondering in the current 1.8% growth moment.
Using Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data, Dallas Fed economists looked at state-by-state employment changes since June 2009, when the recession ended. Texas added 265,300 net jobs, out of the 722,200 nationwide, and by far outpaced every other state. New York was second with 98,200, Pennsylvania added 93,000, and it falls off from there. Nine states created fewer than 10,000 jobs, while Maine, Hawaii, Delaware and Wyoming created fewer than 1,000. Eighteen states have lost jobs since the recovery began.
The data are even more notable because they’re calculated on a “sum of states” basis, which the BLS does not use because they can have sampling errors. Using straight nonfarm payroll employment, Texas accounts for 45% of net U.S. job creation. Modesty is not typically considered a Texas virtue, but the results speak for themselves.
Texas is also among the few states that are home to more jobs than when the recession began in December 2007. The others are North Dakota, Alaska and the District of Columbia. If that last one sounds like an outlier at first, remember the government boom of the Obama era, which has helped loft D.C. payrolls 18,000 jobs above the pre-crisis status quo. Even so, Texas is up 30,800. . . .
Take it any way you wish--it isn't my artcle and I haven't looked to see how accurate or inaccurate it is.
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CoryFiero Member
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18,000 jobs in DC?!?!? The District of Columbia isn't that big...where the heck are they working?? Although Michelle Obama probably provides work for at least a thousand or so just by herself, lol...
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NEPTUNE Member
Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
Just two questions, if you please: 1) What about Sarah Palin? I thought she was the one to carry the teabag banner and save the USA from the evil liberals?
Cordially, NEPTUNE.
Sorry but the Socialist Progressives were hoping as much, ain't going to happen. And if history is a good marker, last time there was a leftist near this weak, it was followed by 12 years of the other side in the chair. Could go 16 years this time. How old is Tune, and will he live long enough to see another progressive leftist in the chair? That is the question!
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Posts: 3402 From: Leonard, Tx. USA Registered: Feb 2001
18,000 jobs in DC?!?!? The District of Columbia isn't that big...where the heck are they working?? Although Michelle Obama probably provides work for at least a thousand or so just by herself, lol...
IRS hired a bunch of new "agents". The figure I heard was 10,000+, but I doubt they were all in DC
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18,000 jobs in DC?!?!? The District of Columbia isn't that big...where the heck are they working?? Although Michelle Obama probably provides work for at least a thousand or so just by herself, lol...
At the time that data was researched (not the date of the article) DC had indeed opened up a lot of jobs, but they have been paring down some recently, as cutbacks have come to the defense sector and other agencies have begun to see cutbacks as well. I too have heard the IRS hired a lot of people, but haven't seen anything substantiaing that or the exact #s.
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Posts: 35921 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Just two questions, if you please:
Sure. Happy to oblige, .
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE: 1) What about Sarah Palin? I thought she was the one to carry the teabag banner and save the USA from the evil liberals?
What about her would you like to know ? She has a couple of books out in which I think you could find all your hearts desires. Her emails while in public office are public information and on the web. You thought she was gonna carry the tea party banner ? She is. You thought she was gonna be the one to save the USA from evil liberals ? She is, but she is not alone.
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Originally posted by NEPTUNE: 2) Why isn't this thread marked as politics? Is checking the "political" box when you start a thread too complicated for you, blackrams? Your inability to do that simple thing says a lot about the intelligence of the far right fringe, if you ask me.
Ahh, the typical liberal tactic. Demonize. The only reason a topic needs to be marked as politics is because of the liberal dumbocratic whiners/complainers/demonizers who have the inability to do such a simple thing as click the back button, not to mention the same inbeciles who complain because they can not get a simple clue from a thread title. I have never seen, nor have you, a republican or conservative, neither an independent, who complained about thread topic designations. I hope this helps. Cordially, cliffw.
I still don't understand why we don't stick the National Guard on the border doing their job *duh* Guarding the Nation. M16s with orders to shoot to kill trespassers because they are illegal immigrants. Bet we'd be amazed how quick things change IMHO
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I still don't understand why we don't stick the National Guard on the border doing their job *duh* Guarding the Nation. M16s with orders to shoot to kill trespassers because they are illegal immigrants. Bet we'd be amazed how quick things change IMHO
Well, unless Marshall Law has been declared, they are not law enforcement. The NG isn't and wasn't intended to enforce civil or criminal law. I'm not suggesting it's a bad idea just not in their legal mission statement. The National Guard has been used down on the border but, all they can do is build fences and report crossings to the border patrol, they are not allowed to conduct military operations against border crossers.
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We in fact DO have a predator drone which patrols the Detroit River/Canadien border here in Michigan, so, I do not see why this was not done long ago. But, I suppose that goes back top the above point of the (R) BS regarding illegals. Cry about them out one face, and hire them cheap out the other face.....
Big deal He(I guess it is him) is letting the Mexicans drive their unsafe semi's over the border now. Just hitch a ride in there. The illegal immigrants have slowed down on the crossings cause there are not as many "jobs for them" any longer or the pay is incressing lower.
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cliffw Member
Posts: 35921 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by 84fiero123: Well Texas is just a tad slow when it comes to being in the 21st century obviously.
Amazing that you would think that you could/would get away with that, . Texas has no drones. Texas can not enforce federal law. President Perry will and can.
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Amazing that you would think that you could/would get away with that, . Texas has no drones. Texas can not enforce federal law. President Perry will and can.
Then how are the other states that are using drones using them?
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cliffw Member
Posts: 35921 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by 84fiero123: Then how are the other states that are using drones using them?
Tell me which states and I will find out. My guess is you are wrong. The Federal Government may/might be using them in other states but Perry wants to. Why is he not ?
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Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Originally posted by 84fiero123: To me it looks like Perry is like most Texans and think they’re in their own country and is not allowing the feds in.
Where did you get that ?
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your linky Later this year, a seventh unmanned aircraft, the second Guardian, will be delivered to NASOC – Corpus Christi (Texas) to support interagency missions in 2011.
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Doug85GT Member
Posts: 9472 From: Sacramento CA USA Registered: May 2003
In the mid 90's my Apache unit patrolled the New Mexico/Mexico border for a month. Our pilots would radio in any activity that they observed to the border patrol. It was a good way to give our pilots stick time and help out the border patrol.
It was funny reading the local news stories about "black helicopters" in the night. The editorial pages were full of very paranoid people that thought the government was up to something.
See he is trying to take credit for something that was already planned to happen. He is no better than any other politician who thinks they can pull the wool over our eyes.
But then I guess he did to his own constituents now didn’t he.
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Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
It was funny reading the local news [PFF T/OT forum] stories about "black helicopters" in the night. The editorial pages [T/OT portion of the forum] were full of very paranoid people that thought the government was up to something.
Had to post that in this "non political" thread, because it's so true.
If you don't want my opinion on your politics, know that I have politics unchecked in this forum. If you label your political posts appropriately, I'll never see and be tempted by the low hanging fruit.
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Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
Hey, please waste your vote! Talk about talking to people like they are little children. So how many votes did that PARRY fellow get.
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Had to post that in this "non political" thread, because it's so true.
If you don't want my opinion on your politics, know that I have politics unchecked in this forum. If you label your political posts appropriately, I'll never see and be tempted by the low hanging fruit.
He(I guess it is him) is letting the Mexicans drive their unsafe semi's over the border now. Just hitch a ride in there.
