Prime example of you missing what I say and accusing others of your own shortcomings (seems socialism is more upsetting to you ). I never anywhere said what you think is wrong, you make false statements and have opinions that I sometimes think are off the wall but you are welcome to think anything you want. Facts and your beliefs are not the same however.
Sorry if you don't like being called on your ass talking, guess with the rate of Christianity expanding exponentionally everyday it won't be long until we are all on the same page anyways.
Look, I'm not going to keep doing this. You telling me that I'm wrong in everything I say is NOT by any means "calling me out"... as far as I'm concerned, I see that personally as you putting up a defense mechanism. I believe what I say because I have already done the research. But yeah, it IS growing exponentially every day.
Stay cool Newf...
Here you go, I will do this ONE more time:
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The rate of conversion to Christianity in China is staggering. There were about 2 million Christians 30 years ago. Today there are between 23.5 million (the official statistic taken from state-run churches) and 130 million (including house churches) according to China Aid, a Christian charity working in China. Though the latter figure is debated, if it's in the ballpark it means the number of Christians outstrip Communist party members (78 million) by tens of millions.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Look, I'm not going to keep doing this. You telling me that I'm wrong in everything I say is NOT by any means "calling me out"... as far as I'm concerned, I see that personally as you putting up a defense mechanism. I believe what I say because I have already done the research. But yeah, it IS growing exponentially every day.
Stay cool Newf...
Anyone else care to take this one? I don't think he'll believe me.
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Posts: 22746 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Anyone else care to take this one? I don't think he'll believe me.
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The rate of conversion to Christianity in China is staggering. There were about 2 million Christians 30 years ago. Today there are between 23.5 million (the official statistic taken from state-run churches) and 130 million (including house churches) according to China Aid, a Christian charity working in China. Though the latter figure is debated, if it's in the ballpark it means the number of Christians outstrip Communist party members (78 million) by tens of millions.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I believe what I say because I have already done the research. But yeah, it IS growing exponentially every day.
Good God man, do you know what exponential growth is? Talk about missing the point!!!
Here I'll give you a clue: Would you rather be given $1 million, OR start off with a penny, and every day for thirty days, have twice as much given to you each day? So on day 1, you get a penny. On day two, two pennies. On day three, four pennies. Which would you choose?
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
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Good God man, do you know what exponential growth is? Talk about missing the point!!!
Here I'll give you a clue: Would you rather be given $1 million, OR start off with a penny, and every day for thirty days, have twice as much given to you each day? So on day 1, you get a penny. On day two, two pennies. On day three, four pennies. Which would you choose?
Are you ****ing serious? Now you're just being ridiculous. The values in an exponential equation can be ANY number... it's still exponential. Going from 3 million to 23 million is exponential growth, it may not be an exponential growth value of 2... but it's still exponential.
Seriously... now I realize how ridiculous you're being... Jesus Christ... I've seen it all now.
I'm so done with you, this is probably the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen in my life... ALL this because you didn't like how I used the term "exponential" even though I still used it in appropriate context.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Are you ****ing serious? Now you're just being ridiculous. The values in an exponential equation can be ANY number... it's still exponential. Going from 3 million to 23 million is exponential growth, it may not be an exponential growth value of 2... but it's still exponential.
Seriously... now I realize how ridiculous you're being... Jesus Christ... I've seen it all now.
I'm so done with you, this is probably the most ridiculous argument I've ever seen in my life... ALL this because you didn't like how I used the term "exponential" even though I still used it in appropriate context.
Seriously... dude... just stop.
Go back and read what you said, and I quoted you many times so you shouldn't be able to miss it. You definitely did not use proper " context" and were again talking out of your ass using made up facts.
Have rates of Christianity risen in places like India and China....Yup Have rates of Christianity risen exponentially daily as YOU CLAIMED again and again....Hell no.
How does one "debate" someone who cannot even admit when they don't have correct facts or misspeak?
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Go back and read what you said, and I quoted you many times so you shouldn't be able to miss it. You definitely did not use proper " context" and were again talking out of your ass using made up facts.
Have rates of Christianity risen in places like India and China....Yup Have rates of Christianity risen exponentially daily as YOU CLAIMED again and again....Hell no.
How does one "debate" someone who cannot even admit when they don't have correct facts or misspeak?
Dude, you are ridiculous... what the **** are you talking about now?
Even daily, there is technically an exponential growth of converts from nothing to Christianity in China. No matter how miniscule or grandeous, there is still a mathematical value that would appropriate an exponent.
What is your argument dude? Seriously... WTF???
No matter in WHAT context you argue... I'm still correct. As long as there is always positive growth of more than 1 person, there is technically exponential growth. It also makes senese in the same standpoint as using it similar to saying that the rate of converts in China is "staggering." No matter WHICH way you want to argue my use of the word, it's still correct, both as an adjective, and as a mathematical formula.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Dude, you are ridiculous... what the **** are you talking about now?
Even daily, there is technically an exponential growth of converts from nothing to Christianity in China. No matter how miniscule or grandeous, there is still a mathematical value that would appropriate an exponent.
What is your argument dude? Seriously... WTF???
No matter in WHAT context you argue... I'm still correct. As long as there is always positive growth of more than 1 person, there is technically exponential growth. It also makes senese in the same standpoint as using it similar to saying that the rate of converts in China is "staggering." No matter WHICH way you want to argue my use of the word, it's still correct, both as an adjective, and as a mathematical formula.
So your claim is that any positive growth shows an exponential increase???
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Posts: 20658 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
Originally posted by newf: So your claim is that any positive growth shows an exponential increase???
Christianity is a dieing religion. It will take a few generations to weed though the indoctrination, but it will be marginalize by the end of the century.
Although it is a goal for most every Christian to evangelize and save people by having them saved by Christ (for whatever that means, either by dipping your head in water or kissing snakes or just a large sums of money), it will not be a main stream belief by the end of this century. Actually no religion will be.
The Human Race is going to go past that religious chapter pretty soon, based on the vast expansion of education and communication. Sure, there will still be those cults and the naive that will believe, but it's a goner.
So don't worry about the 82-T/A's of the world who claim that Christianity is flooding the world with believers and the 2nd coming of Christ is nigh! They are fools!
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 22746 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
So your claim is that any positive growth shows an exponential increase???
You know Newf, I can't do this with you... I can't spend 2 and a half pages arguing with you every time, over a word that I use as an adjective.
I used the term to show FORCE in the statement. I meant that then, and I mean it now. And it's true. And no matter WHICH direction you choose to argue my use of the term, I'm still correct.
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Christianity is a dieing religion. It will take a few generations to weed though the indoctrination, but it will be marginalize by the end of the century.
Although it is a goal for most every Christian to evangelize and save people by having them saved by Christ (for whatever that means, either by dipping your head in water or kissing snakes or just a large sums of money), it will not be a main stream belief by the end of this century. Actually no religion will be.
The Human Race is going to go past that religious chapter pretty soon, based on the vast expansion of education and communication. Sure, there will still be those cults and the naive that will believe, but it's a goner.
So don't worry about the 82-T/A's of the world who claim that Christianity is flooding the world with believers and the 2nd coming of Christ is nigh! They are fools!
You know, I'm not sure, but I don't think Newf is an athiest? I don't think I've ever asked him though.
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Christianity is a dieing religion. It will take a few generations to weed though the indoctrination, but it will be marginalize by the end of the century.
Although it is a goal for most every Christian to evangelize and save people by having them saved by Christ (for whatever that means, either by dipping your head in water or kissing snakes or just a large sums of money), it will not be a main stream belief by the end of this century. Actually no religion will be.
The Human Race is going to go past that religious chapter pretty soon, based on the vast expansion of education and communication. Sure, there will still be those cults and the naive that will believe, but it's a goner.
So don't worry about the 82-T/A's of the world who claim that Christianity is flooding the world with believers and the 2nd coming of Christ is nigh! They are fools!
He also needs to account for things like the population incease of China, accurate reporting...etc, in his "daily exponential" rise in Christianity.
Far as I can read China's population increased about 312 million over the last 30 years.
Either way using a term like "rising daily exponentially" would seem to suggest (to me anyways) a provable constant exponential rate but maybe 82 is suggesting that any rise can be termed exponential. It's similar to using stats to prove points, there are many ways to look at it I suppose.
Edit: 82 I admit that I regarded your adjective of rising daily exponentially as a significant provable exponential increase over time and while I will fully admit Christianity has increased I don't know if an daily exponential increase is provable (depending on the parameters) or the best term. (I still think you talk out of your ass at times though )
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Sooo back to the article that started this four page thread............
Rev Klaas Hendrikse is NOT a CHRISTian and shouldn't associate himself with CHRISTians. Anybody who disagrees with that could you give me YOUR definition of a CHRISTian?
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Sooo back to the article that started this four page thread............
Rev Klaas Hendrikse is NOT a CHRISTian and shouldn't associate himself with CHRISTians. Anybody who disagrees with that could you give me YOUR definition of a CHRISTian?
A Christian is one who believes that There is one God in Three Persons - Father, Son, Holy Spirit - who created the Universe and, by default, us. We have become creatures born into sin, each of us because of the choices that we make against our Creator. For His great Love for each of us - though we severely do not deserve it - He sent His only Son into the world to live the life that we are unable to, then He took on the mantle of sin for us on the cross, only to rise again from the grave three days later. Through faith (alone) and by His Grace (alone) in that sacrifice and resurrection (alone), can one attain what we cannot achieve - eternal life in Him (Heaven). We can choose not to believe, or we can choose not to choose - those choices also have consequences.
Romans 10:9: ...because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
All other doctrines stem from here, including the Great Command (Love one another) and the Great Commission (Go and make disciples).
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pat JC said [mostly] he was the son of man I strongly suspect the son of god is later spin by others mostly saul/paul and his new cult
then there is the problem of bible reported events at the time of his death earthquakes darkness at mid-afternoon and the dead rising up and walking the city all that but nobody noticed or reported or recorded any such magic events outside of the bible events that would make a hollywood blockbuster plot were not noticed and this by a roman culture that thought such events were signs from the gods and recorded many other signs of far lessor note then dead people walking around a city that is real hard to miss
ray, sorry that I took so long to respond. It's vacation, and I have to spend some time with the fam.
Daniel 7:13: I was watching in the night visions, “And with the clouds of the sky one like a son of man was approaching. He went up to the Ancient of Days and was escorted before him.
Italics mine. Jesus used terminology that was common to the people around Him. They knew what He meant. When He said, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (From Matthew 27:46) He was quoting Psalm 22, although no one called it "Psalm 22," that came much later. The Jews around Him knew what He was saying, and who He was quoting.
The dead who were raised at Jesus' resurrection, why would they have appeared to the Romans - were there any Romans in Jerusalem? - or any other people other than Jews? Why would the Romans think that there was anything supernatural going on, if it didn't pertain to them. And the Curtain in the Holy Temple, why would the Romans care about that, or want to explain it? If the earthquake and darkening were localized, over the land of the Jews, for whom this would mean something - remember, Jesus' ministry wasn't for anyone but the Jews - the question arises again - why would the Romans care? Those that were at the cross, at least the Centurion, is recorded to have said, "Surely, this was the Son of God."
I suppose that we'll both know the answers fully in forty or fifty years.
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Posts: 7891 From: Buffalo, NY Registered: Mar 2000
I say this guy is not a Christian. Regardless of denomination, I would think that a Christian would have to have some type of faith and belief in Christ as God's son, God on earth, ordained by God as a prophet, or something.
..THE ATHEISTIC, ,THE DEMOCRAT MARXIST,CUCKOLD SISSY.s, THE NEW YORK TIMES ABC,CBS,NBC, THE MOSLEMS THROW HATE AT CHRISTIANS EVERY DAY & THE SHEEP WHO FOLLOW CELEBRITIES, ROCK STARS, ROCK BANDS, & THE LATEST TRENDS MOCK CHRISTIANS WITH THIER MOSLEM & ISLAMIC BROTHERS .. .. This is the chirping of parakeets against the Eagle do as you please .Im standing with Abe Lincoln,Ronald Reagan,Chesty Puller,Gen. Patton ,George Washington,machine gun john Basilone,John Wayne ,THE 3 STOOGES & PORKY PIG The truth is comming before you, look to Israel & the Islamic scum that surround Israel, the Bible stories are comming to a close ,Soon if I live long enough, I will man the Howitzers on the plains of ARMAGEDDON,my huge belly a great islamic target..I DO NOT EXPECT TO SEE ANY OF the parakeets THERE.. they will easily summit
keep your frilly panties dry Squeeks,hand wash them ,,I do.
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). I never anywhere said what you think is wrong, you make false statements and have opinions that I sometimes think are off the wall but you are welcome to think anything you want. Facts and your beliefs are not the same however.
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