There was a voter ID bill here in NC that just got Vetoed by Gov. Perdue (D). Democrats said the GOP sponsored bill requiring photo ID to vote was to keep blacks and poor people from voting. Democrats said there's no need to require an ID to vote because there isn't any voter fraud. (yes, that's their argument)
Of course, you can't be required to spend money to vote. That's equivalent to a Poll Tax, so requiring people to spend money to get a photo ID wouldn't fly. I didn't read the entire bill before it was Vetoed, but it would have to address that to get people who need one a free ID to vote.
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cliffw Member
Posts: 37834 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Why should you need an ID to vote ? You don't even have to have a birth certificate to be the President of the United States of America.
Of course until now, no one really had cause to question the validity of a candidate.. Their 'history' ( for better or for worse ) was pretty well known.
Democrats said the GOP sponsored bill requiring photo ID to vote was to keep blacks and poor people from voting.
Why are there poor people in the US? Don't we have a democrat President and he had a democrat Congress for two years? You can't drive without ID but you can vote? What's wrong with this picture?
The only problem I see with this, is that you have to have proof of residency in CO to get an ID, which is definitely a reasonable request, but this means the homeless can't vote.
The other problem is that many homeless don't have their birth certificates and other "paperwork" that proves who they are with them.. so they can't get a photo ID.
However, they should have had one before they were homeless and I don't know why you'd ever throw it away.
But Formula88 is right, the $10 fee combined with some paperwork that all don't have makes this difficult to pass, but I hope they find a way to do it. I'm tired of Micky Mouse voting Dem every year
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Gridlock Member
Posts: 2874 From: New Westminster, BC Canada Registered: Apr 2002
The only problem I see with this, is that you have to have proof of residency in CO to get an ID, which is definitely a reasonable request, but this means the homeless can't vote.
The other problem is that many homeless don't have their birth certificates and other "paperwork" that proves who they are with them.. so they can't get a photo ID.
However, they should have had one before they were homeless and I don't know why you'd ever throw it away.
But Formula88 is right, the $10 fee combined with some paperwork that all don't have makes this difficult to pass, but I hope they find a way to do it. I'm tired of Micky Mouse voting Dem every year
Not saying they don't have a right to vote as they are citizens, but most homeless wont vote anyway so it will be a 'small' problem that needs to be solved. As far as 'throwing it away', a lot of homeless have *nothing*. When you live in an underpass and have no idea where your next meal is coming from ( or if its coming at all ), keeping track of your birth certificate is pretty low on the list. Plus many are mentally ill or have drug problems ( but not all.. ) so again, its pretty low on the list of things to keep track of.
Here they solved part of the problem by offering *free* ID's to people that cant afford them, and taking the 'roadshow bus' to places like nursing homes for people who cant come to the BMV. ( and they get to vote via absentee mail-in )
There was a voter ID bill here in NC that just got Vetoed by Gov. Perdue (D). Democrats said the GOP sponsored bill requiring photo ID to vote was to keep blacks and poor people from voting. Democrats said there's no need to require an ID to vote because there isn't any voter fraud. (yes, that's their argument)
Of course, you can't be required to spend money to vote. That's equivalent to a Poll Tax, so requiring people to spend money to get a photo ID wouldn't fly. I didn't read the entire bill before it was Vetoed, but it would have to address that to get people who need one a free ID to vote.
How do they determine that there is no voter fraud? We vote by secret ballot. Once the ballot is cast, there is no way to tie it back to the person that made the vote unless they came forward with the stub. How many people who cast an illegal vote are going to come forward with the stubs and admit to felony voter fraud?
Not saying they don't have a right to vote as they are citizens, but most homeless wont vote anyway so it will be a 'small' problem that needs to be solved. As far as 'throwing it away', a lot of homeless have *nothing*. When you live in an underpass and have no idea where your next meal is coming from ( or if its coming at all ), keeping track of your birth certificate is pretty low on the list. Plus many are mentally ill or have drug problems ( but not all.. ) so again, its pretty low on the list of things to keep track of.
Here they solved part of the problem by offering *free* ID's to people that cant afford them, and taking the 'roadshow bus' to places like nursing homes for people who cant come to the BMV. ( and they get to vote via absentee mail-in )
I meant why they'd throw away an ID, not their birth certificate. To me, keeping an ID is very reasonable because it can fit anywhere. They had a photo ID at ONE POINT. They weren't always homeless.
The sooner the government chips everyone the better, no more I don’t have an ID, no more I left my drivers license at home, no more I don’t have the credits to pay, no more losing a the wallet, no more stolen credit/debit cards, no more fake ID’s, no more using someone else’s welfare card, no more leaving work early, no more not being where you should be and last but not least no more voter fraud. Even the homeless and poor will be accounted for
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by Doug85GT: How do they determine that there is no voter fraud? We vote by secret ballot. Once the ballot is cast, there is no way to tie it back to the person that made the vote unless they came forward with the stub. How many people who cast an illegal vote are going to come forward with the stubs and admit to felony voter fraud?
I meant why they'd throw away an ID, not their birth certificate. To me, keeping an ID is very reasonable because it can fit anywhere. They had a photo ID at ONE POINT. They weren't always homeless.
Ever thought they could lose their wallet after being homeless for a while? Ever misplace your wallet and have to go back and find it? Try doing that when you dropped it in a public location and see if you ever find it.
I meant why they'd throw away an ID, not their birth certificate. To me, keeping an ID is very reasonable because it can fit anywhere. They had a photo ID at ONE POINT. They weren't always homeless.
The sooner the government chips everyone the better, no more I don’t have an ID, no more I left my drivers license at home, no more I don’t have the credits to pay, no more losing a the wallet, no more stolen credit/debit cards, no more fake ID’s, no more using someone else’s welfare card, no more leaving work early, no more not being where you should be and last but not least no more voter fraud. Even the homeless and poor will be accounted for
Once they get real time DNA decoding perfected, there wont be a need for chipping.
Ever thought they could lose their wallet after being homeless for a while? Ever misplace your wallet and have to go back and find it? Try doing that when you dropped it in a public location and see if you ever find it.
I'm not disagreeing with you...
I said myself that the problem with this would be that it'd be hard for them to get an ID.
I said myself that the problem with this would be that it'd be hard for them to get an ID.
And yes, it could definitely be lost.
Most of the homeless i have dealt with honestly don't care about their ID. they just want a warm dry place to sleep, something to eat and to be left alone. Voting isn't on their agenda, survival ( if you want to call that sort of a life survival ) is.
Years ago, (decades) Texas (and I suppose other states as well) had a poll tax. You had to go to the county accessor's office, present valid ID, and pay a fee called a poll tax in order to register to vote with the county voter registars. Sometime, I think in the 60s, SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional. After that, regardless of state requirements, it's been fairly easy to register to vote. It should be. But, I have seen the registar accept as little ID as a library card back in the 70s.
Most of the homeless i have dealt with honestly don't care about their ID. they just want a warm dry place to sleep, something to eat and to be left alone. Voting isn't on their agenda, survival ( if you want to call that sort of a life survival ) is.
Absolutely agreed. Many don't vote--but, it should still be accessible. So, free I.D.'s for everyone? Is that communist?
IDs SHOULD be free no matter what. But they aren't and they cost the issuee a LOT more than the paper or plastic they are written on. They have become little more than a revenue avenue for states and counties.
IDs SHOULD be free no matter what. But they aren't and they cost the issuee a LOT more than the paper or plastic they are written on. They have become little more than a revenue avenue for states and counties.
IDs SHOULD be free no matter what. But they aren't and they cost the issuee a LOT more than the paper or plastic they are written on. They have become little more than a revenue avenue for states and counties.
A lot of things in government have become that way. Remember too, it's not just about the plastic they are printed on, but even accounting for the operational overhead that people forget about ( employees at the BMV, filing clerks, computer systems, buildings, etc ) its all been paid for by taxes already.
Probably the easiest way to deal with IDs for the homeless and others who can't afford a plastic ID would be to use a tattoo, an ID number on the forearm would work well. Nothing to lose, one time application cost.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25490 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
There was a voter ID bill here in NC that just got Vetoed by Gov. Perdue (D). Democrats said the GOP sponsored bill requiring photo ID to vote was to keep blacks and poor people from voting. Democrats said there's no need to require an ID to vote because there isn't any voter fraud. (yes, that's their argument)
Of course, you can't be required to spend money to vote. That's equivalent to a Poll Tax, so requiring people to spend money to get a photo ID wouldn't fly. I didn't read the entire bill before it was Vetoed, but it would have to address that to get people who need one a free ID to vote.
Seriously? That's racist in and of itself... he assumes all blacks are poor and don't have photo-IDs... nice.
Probably the easiest way to deal with IDs for the homeless and others who can't afford a plastic ID would be to use a tattoo, an ID number on the forearm would work well. Nothing to lose, one time application cost.
JA, Mein Furher!. Excellent idea, excellent! Will never fade, always readable. Went over SO well in the '40's. Some people still have theirs.
And yeah, there's NO PLACE else to get a tatoo, so ID theft wouldn't be an issue at all.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25490 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Probably the easiest way to deal with IDs for the homeless and others who can't afford a plastic ID would be to use a tattoo, an ID number on the forearm would work well. Nothing to lose, one time application cost.
Wow, holy **** ... can't believe I missed this one.
Please tell me you are kidding, this has got to be some kind of a joke, right?
No, I'm sure he's serious. And they'll ALL begin with "666"....
I'm going to say that either this was sarcasm that we (at this point) are not used to from him yet, or maybe it was well-intentioned and he just didn't think about it.
Setting aside the whole NAZI / WW2 thing with the concentration camps... the only "things" that get tattoo IDs are livestock... cows, pigs, stuff like that.
I mean, unless he thinks that everyone should have a tattoo with their ID on it, like in Idiocracy.
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