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Convince GM to bring back the el camino!

I would love it if they made a U.S. version of the Ute-Maloo !

quote Originally posted by Mike Gonzalez: I would love it if they made a U.S. version of the Ute!

I'd buy one, assuming the pricing is similar to the G8

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On a side note, I really dislike Jalopnik's new format....enough that I've stopped going there......

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Let me start with. As far as I am concerned GM can never produce a new vehicle worthy of me purchasing, new or used. The El Camino is a joke at best. Any person who needs to haul anything can do it in an a mini-van or ANY vehicle (including SUVs) based on the 1500 chassis (any similar makers chassis will do too). If you want a "truck car" buy a Subaru Baja. If you need one that is "fast" get an SSR. I hope GM burns to the ground. I know the produced "muscle cars"and helped America prosper. To me they are garbage. When my Fiero is gone so is GM from my home.

Let me note a couple things. My F250 is "fast" High 15s in a 8000K lb vehicle is stupid. Computer modules make it peppier and better mileage. The SSR, may out run me, MAYBE, but load 'em up and forget about it. El Camino is another garbage idea by GM. You guys all ***** about socialism and such. I am sure you all have lovely voices, but I speak with something louder. DOLLAR DOLLAR BILLS!

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If 1 vest is thin, then rock 2 vest.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda...

My last post wasn't clear enough. The Ford Lighting is a fast truck. The SSR is teh ghey. My F250 isn't fast and will scoot quick like. GM m;akes garbage that every manufacturer out-specs in every class one way or the other. They El Camino is another poorly executed idea, just as the SSR (which someone already posted). Ford has earned consecutive quarter profits for their gimmicks, I am sure. All that said, I challenge ANYONE with a 3/4 tone or less vehicle that is not Ford to undertake the abuse I do to a truck for 1 month. (I will NOT be responsible for any parts that get broken. I would suggest replacing your suspension IMMEDIATELY afterward.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Coulda, woulda, shoulda...

Did they actually have it planned, or was it just a "concept ?"

I couldnt figure out how to reply on that Jolopink thing.

quote Originally posted by Mike Gonzalez: Did they actually have it planned, or was it just a "concept ?" I couldnt figure out how to reply on that Jolopink thing.

It was happening. Body panels had already been created but Pontiac was shut down before any were built.
There are a few running around Australia that are basically Maloos with the Pontiac bodywork.

Yeah GM F'ed up they have been F'ing up for some time now and probably wont stop but if they are going to half ass something that I can buy down the line used at 1/10th the cost new and screw with like my fiero then by all means let them half ass a camino and then stop it right as it gets good.

And yes I realize there are other options but variety is the fruit of life or something .. .. .

I am a big 'Camino fan (have had 5, and still have my first car- a 75 El Camino SS), but I don't want GM to bring it back for 2 reasons:

1. I wouldn't be able to afford one
2. They will screw it up miserably. The El Camino faded away with some dignity after living an amazing life joined at the hip with the mighty Chevelle. Let's remember it that way.

Same goes for the Fiero and Trans Am, too.

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Way back in the day... I had an artist submit his rendition of a three axled Fiero truck - with a short hardwood lined bed aft of the engine.
' Artist was named "KENNER" - He was a toy designer that submitted this idea at a time when the Fiero was still being produced.
PMD reviewed this idea - and laughed it off,
"Unviable - not enough sales possible to justify a production run."
`Robert "Bob" Tropolski <sp?>
VP PMD
Pontiac first threatened the Chevrolet Corvette with the Fiero, it *could* have been a mid engined Corvette for Christ's sake!
- and it had the potential to usurped Chevrolet's El Camino - on a Dodge Rampage scale.
GM's largest division, at the time, was very fearful of what the Fiero could cost them, in terms sales dollars, early on.
Chevrolet's voting Brass never gave any support to our little two seater at the Division's annual 'Round Table'*.
*Annual meeting of the top brass representing: Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, etc.
Our Fiero challenged Chevrolet's annual sales volume of some 22,000 sales units of Corvettes/per year - right out of the gate...
- well over 100,000 Fiero's built, AND SOLD, the very first year!
It scared the *hit out of Bowling Green, Kentucky.
Allow it to challenge the El Camino? Absolutely not!
Chevrolet was so fearful of the P car platform that they always refused to embrace it - or even incorporate it - into any of their production lines...
'Who says our little two seater wasn't bad assed back in the day?
The King, Chevrolet Motor Division, was afraid of it.
'Nuff said. If you're lucky enough to have one today, enjoy it.
Government Motors isn't smart enough today to ever build anything like it in the near future.

But back to this thread: The Fiero was envisioned as an El Camino type truck at one time by an innovative toy designer named "KENNER".

"I think I will never see; a Fiero as it was meant to be."
(from the factory, that is).


'Hulki stacked cardboard boxes and kept the idea going forward, Entech executed a brilliant chassis, Folden did an awesome body, the UAW gave the labor concessions.It is criminal the American Icon of the automotive industry would loose sight of building America's automobiles and, instead, cater to the shareholder's greedy need to see an instant return on their investment dollars - at the expense of loosing their market shares.

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quote Originally posted by ls3mach: The El Camino is a joke at best. Any person who needs to haul anything can do it in an a mini-van or ANY vehicle (including SUVs) based on the 1500 chassis (any similar makers chassis will do too). If you want a "truck car" buy a Subaru Baja.

Yeah, 'cuz its real easy to put a motorcycle into a minivan, SUV, or Baja Closest you could get to being able to do that is a Sprinter, or maybe a fullsize cargo van. A ute would be great for someone who occasionally needs to carry something large, but would be happy with something that drives like a car the rest of the time and doesn't want to buy a trailer. The bed is lower than most trucks, which would also make loading and unloading easier. If you've ever tried to push a non-running motorcycle into the bed of your F250 alone, you'd understand why that's a benefit.

Let me also note something: You're an idiot. You've got two posts, separated by one post from someone else, and your second post completely contradicts your first post, and you mention that "someone else" mentioned an SSR, when, in fact, that "someone else" was you. Oh yeah, an SSR is not fast, and your F250 isn't fast, either. High 15s is at best mediocre, my truck does that too, and there's nothing "impressive" about it. The most recent Lightning was fast, and the HSV variant of the Ute is faster than that (although only by a tenth or two).

And not to ruin your love affair with Ford, but they've also got a Ute in Australia (OMG!, guess you can never buy another Ford again, since they make this completely useless gimmick vehicle), and they aren't the only automaker posting profits for consecutive quarters. But the profitability discussions, much like your socialism comments, belong in another thread, troll.