What is with the cut/curl? I still don't understand that part of the scan.
Looks like it was scanned from a book then photo shopped on to a release form. Hes the freaking president of the united states and thats the best they could do?
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partfiero Member
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Looks like it was scanned from a book then photo shopped on to a release form. Hes the freaking president of the united states and thats the best they could do?
How many of these are floating around? This ain't the same one that is in the posters link!
No, but my employers have all needed to see my birth certificate BEFORE hiring me. As one of the many employers of the POTUS(even though I didn't vote for him and never wanted him in office, as a taxpayer, I am on the "board of directors", so to speak, of this great nation and, as such, his employer), I wanted to see his birth certificate BEFORE him entering office.
I do find it strange as to how much noise they were making right now (on the Presidents side).
Is all of this aimed at making Donald Trump look silly? He is after all a "sideshow, and carnival barker."
Brad
I think we have a winner! All you guys who are saying how "Trump made Obama cough up the birth certificate" are looking at it the wrong way. I'm sorry, but O-man just slapped The Donald big time.
Which reminds me, a news station today said that anyone that questioned this was just a racist.
Feel free to just say it newf, you know you want to.
Brad
Huh? What is it you know that I am thinking?? Why are you calling me out on this subject? Where have I shown any evidence that I assume that anyone is a racist?
If someone said everyone who questions it is racist they would be wrong IMO. It's the same as generalizing any group.
I heard on TV that anyone who questions why a person questions Obama's Birth Cirtificate is automatically calling them a racist.
And every other president and politician even though you know there are agencies that do it anyway?
As far as i can remember, i have never seen an unanswered public outcry on this type of issue until now. I have seen questions raised ( and answered ) about residency, concerning district qualifications here locally, but never a citizenship challenge.
The sad thing is that this all would have been a complete non issue if it was handled properly on day one by the administration. ( and no, before you suggest it, the president does not get to decide what is 'personal' and what is 'public'. He forfeited his right of privacy by taking the oath.
As far as i can remember, i have never seen an unanswered public outcry on this type of issue until now. I have seen questions raised ( and answered ) about residency, concerning district qualifications here locally, but never a citizenship challenge.
The sad thing is that this all would have been a complete non issue if it was handled properly on day one by the administration. ( and no, before you suggest it, the president does not get to decide what is 'personal' and what is 'public'. He forfeited his right of privacy by taking the oath.
Why would anyone have to publicly show such information when not required? As evidenced by this thread it really doesn't matter what is shown, some will never accept it. I contend that Obama was accepted by the same institiutions as every previous President but for some reason his qualifications were an issue.
Again look up what a troll is and prove that that is indeed what I am doing.
Just because I debate the "Conservatorium" it's not trolling.
honestly I think some of you should get a blog if you are afraid of a differing opinion or a challenge. Are you all really that upset because Obama showed what you said would be good enough as proof of his citizenship? Come on I'm sure you can come up with a myriad of other reasons to hate. Time to let this one go IMO, it made most of the birthers look dumb anyways.
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Why would anyone have to publicly show such information when not required? As evidenced by this thread it really doesn't matter what is shown, some will never accept it. I contend that Obama was accepted by the same institiutions as every previous President but for some reason his qualifications were an issue.
We aren't talking about 'anyone', we are talking about the commander in chief, the head honcho... Even if its not 'required' by law ( which is debatable, as the president has to disclose far more than ANY other public official ), not doing it when a large part of the country was asking is created all of this. ( and acting like he was above it all, his arrogance showing thru )
And to clarify , his qualifications are in question beacuse they are suspect. How many other presidents came into office with such a short and questionable past and refused to pony up the proof when asked by the citizens of this country? Not many, if any at all.
We aren't talking about 'anyone', we are talking about the commander in chief, the head honcho... Even if its not 'required' by law ( which is debatable, as the president has to disclose far more than ANY other public official ), not doing it when a large part of the country was asking is created all of this. ( and acting like he was above it all, his arrogance showing thru )
And to clarify , his qualifications are in question beacuse they are suspect. How many other presidents came into office with such a short and questionable past and refused to pony up the proof when asked by the citizens of this country? Not many, if any at all.
How is that clarification? His qualifications are no more suspect than anyone elses, especially those of McCain. Like i said it doesn't matter what he shows you or any other birther, you won't accept it. He was accepted by every legal institution in charge of such matters but suddenly that is not good enough? That''s more suspect IMO.
Sounds like you don't trust all the people who over see such issues which is the bigger story IMO. Sad.
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Posts: 35467 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
President Obama’s Released Birth Certificate has Layers Our analysis of the latest controversy: The original birth certificate was probably in a ‘negative’ form, and someone at the White House took it upon themselves to doctor it up so the form can be readable.
Previously from BNO News: Obama releases long form birth certificate to end debate
National Review:
"The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.
What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that."
Does tis mean they will now release a copy with the OCR turned off?
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Again look up what a troll is and prove that that is indeed what I am doing.
Just because I debate the "Conservatorium" it's not trolling.
honestly I think some of you should get a blog if you are afraid of a differing opinion or a challenge. Are you all really that upset because Obama showed what you said would be good enough as proof of his citizenship? Come on I'm sure you can come up with a myriad of other reasons to hate. Time to let this one go IMO, it made most of the birthers look dumb anyways.
Who said we are afraid? I didn't. I just happen to disagree with the idea that 'its all ok now, that the great one bestowed upon us so now we all have to shut up'. They provided something that quite clearly does not look 100% legit. Perhaps it is, and was just sloppy work, which is amazing considering the knowledge that it would be picked apart.. but because of the sloppy work the question still stands.
And just to clarify, myself i have never really doubted he was legit, my beef has always been how it was handled from day one. His condescending arrogance is what caused this, not that citizens asked for what should have never needed to be asked for.
And you are correct about 'PLENTY of other reasons', but i don't dislike the man i dislike his socialist ways and his 'dream' of a future America, ruined by his polices.
Sounds like you don't trust all the people who over see such issues which is the bigger story IMO. Sad.
There are reasons i don't trust them. Furthermore, to use your statement in revers, i feel that its 'sad' that people blindly believe what others say, with no proof or evidence. You will never catch me falling for 'faith' on anything, ever.
'faith' without proof is why we are in the mess we are in now.
Who said we are afraid? I didn't. I just happen to disagree with the idea that 'its all ok now, that the great one bestowed upon us so now we all have to shut up'. They provided something that quite clearly does not look 100% legit. Perhaps it is, and was just sloppy work, which is amazing considering the knowledge that it would be picked apart.. but because of the sloppy work the question still stands.
And just to clarify, myself i have never really doubted he was legit, my beef has always been how it was handled from day one. His condescending arrogance is what caused this, not that citizens asked for what should have never needed to be asked for.
And you are correct about 'PLENTY of other reasons', but i don't dislike the man i dislike his socialist ways and his 'dream' of a future America, ruined by his polices.
OK let me see if I can understand, you think he was infact born in the U.S. but still question the evidence of it? Ummm OK.
Sloppy work? The evidence is overwhelming. It's similar to other sad conspiracies no matter what one shows to disprove the conspiracy there will always be those that can't let it go. It's kind of pathetic.
There are reasons i don't trust them. Furthermore, to use your statement in revers, i feel that its 'sad' that people blindly believe what others say, with no proof or evidence. You will never catch me falling for 'faith' on anything, ever.
'faith' without proof is why we are in the mess we are in now.
What proof would be sufficient in you opinion?
There were plenty who said what he released would be but surprise surprise it isn't.
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'faith' without proof is why we are in the mess we are in now.
I'm not sure what religion has to do with it. Oh yeah, I forgot Obama is a closet Muslim
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There were plenty who said what he released would be but surprise surprise it isn't.
In this particular case, a release of a document that doesn't have clear evidence of some sort of modification. And remember i DO think he is legitimate American, and i bet it was just sloppy work, but how do we know this? SOMETHING is amiss ... ( but i have been wrong before )
OK let me see if I can understand, you think he was infact born in the U.S. but still question the evidence of it? Ummm OK.
Sloppy work? The evidence is overwhelming. It's similar to other sad conspiracies no matter what one shows to disprove the conspiracy there will always be those that can't let it go. It's kind of pathetic.
My initial problem with this is that he thinks that he was above responding to the public. And now after blowing off the citizens for months and months they give out garbage like this? It's like a 2nd slap in the face.
The only 'conspiracy' i am attaching to this is his arrogance.
Let it go? Well, if they had not put out this blatantly questionable document, then it would have went away. Like he should have done on day 1. But as long as they continue down this path it will only cause more people to question it and keep the entire issue alive.
But then again, perhaps this is a good thing, more reasons for people to not re-elect him.
In this particular case, a release of a document that doesn't have clear evidence of some sort of modification. And remember i DO think he is legitimate American, and i bet it was just sloppy work, but how do we know this? SOMETHING is amiss ... ( but i have been wrong before )
Clear evidence of modification according to whom? What is sloppy? You don't think that no matter what was released the conspiracy theororists would have a problem with it? Why wasn't the other form OK? Why wasn't the fact that his birth announcement was in the paper OK? Why wasn't the fact that the legal bodies who over see such issues apporved it all OK? Why wasn't the fact that prominent Republicans said it is legitimate OK?
My initial problem with this is that he thinks that he was above responding to the public. And now after blowing off the citizens for months and months they give out garbage like this? It's like a 2nd slap in the face.
The only 'conspiracy' i am attaching to this is his arrogance.
Let it go? Well, if they had not put out this blatantly questionable document, then it would have went away. Like he should have done on day 1. But as long as they continue down this path it will only cause more people to question it and keep the entire issue alive.
But then again, perhaps this is a good thing, more reasons for people to not re-elect him.
You are arguing against yourself IMO.
Above responding to whom? A minority of consiracy theororists? Why should he? Do you think Bush should have to "prove" he was not behind 9-11?
It is only "blatently questionable" to anyone who won't believe whatever is put forth and that's the whole point why should the POTUS waste time answering to conspiracy theororists who won't believe anything anyways. It's really kind of pathetic.
Clear evidence of modification according to whom? What is sloppy? You don't think that no matter what was released the conspiracy theororists would have a problem with it? Why wasn't the other form OK? Why wasn't the fact that his birth announcement was in the paper OK? Why wasn't the fact that the legal bodies who over see such issues apporved it all OK? Why wasn't the fact that prominent Republicans said it is legitimate OK?
Why do i have to repeat my self?
And i really don't care what 'prominent republicans' said. Neither party is trustworthy. They are all corrupt to their core.
I think we have a winner! All you guys who are saying how "Trump made Obama cough up the birth certificate" are looking at it the wrong way. I'm sorry, but O-man just slapped The Donald big time.
I'm sure many people see it that way, but the simple fact is Obama refused to offer up anything more until Trump started nosing around. Whether he did it to make Trump look stupid, or he did it to prevent Trump from finding something else out - it took Donald Trump to make him do what many people have been screaming for him to do for years. It doesn't reflect well on Obama either way. If it was to make Trump look stupid, that means Obama was solely motivated by his political agenda to get re-elected and considers Trump a political threat.
Trump = Results, no matter how you look at it.
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