Thats what they get when they buy asian built/ or designed junk. It was probably designed with a sheet metal screw to hold it on. Asian cars are huge on putting things together with aluminum bolts and screws. Tracker was the first I noticed that on. Anything I take apart always has all the screws snap off.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
I wonder was it put on properly? was it put on ALL the way? looks sorta like it was put on improperly, and not all the way on, and then it stripped when she was drivin'.
Dang.
Glad they were able to keep control of the car...
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Scottzilla79 Member
Posts: 2573 From: Chicago, IL Registered: Oct 2009
I'm no expert, but it looks to be missing a big bolt that would be keeping all that together, the sleeve looks stripped out as well. I don't think I have ever seen that. I've always had to use a puller to get the steering wheel to come off.
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Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
I'm no expert, but it looks to be missing a big bolt that would be keeping all that together, the sleeve looks stripped out as well. I don't think I have ever seen that. I've always had to use a puller to get the steering wheel to come off.
Brad
The steering wheel is not attached like our Fiero’s. It has a bolt instead of a nut like we have.
From what I have been able to find on a Google and NHTSA search that one particular car, and only that one particular car was that the steering wheel that was out on the column was wrong or a repair. I can’t be sure I looked at a lot of links yesterday. And will post from my history just some of the links I looked at.
I don’t know how these newer small cars are attached but to me it sounds like it was a repair gone wrong on just one vehicle. But at least GM is recalling every one of those cars within one day of it happening. Something Toiletota tried to avoid, Recalling anything at all to save face.
Steve ------------------ Technology is great when it works, and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
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Looks like they have resolved what they think the problem was. Also looks like Government Motors thought it was enough of a problem that it justified a change the assembly line equipment, so as not to allow the wrong part to be installed in the first place.
I can't imagine a change to the assemble line equipment if there wasn't at least a fair number of wheels that made it through that were wrong. They may have corrected them before they were shipped though, and this particular vehicle didn't have the 'nut behind the wheel' tightened properly.
Still, a formal recall is being done, so Government Motors must also have reason to believe that the problem could potentially be more widespread....
where it was made I can't say, but that is a lot better than 2 million recalled by Toiletota.
Steve
And 1 more that actually had a fundamental problem as opposed to the two million Toyota's that were in the end cleared of problems after the Obama administrations witch hunt against the company. All the NHTSA reports cleared Toyota of any wrongdoing, and found that all the probelsm were caused by the thickskulled drivers mashing the accelerator pedal as opposed to the brake.
You didn't see any coverage of this though in the news.
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Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Helps if you use a screwdriver to take screws off. A big hammer and a rock will only go so far.....
Screwdriver snaps the screws off, rachet breaks the 10MM bolts....nearly every time. Dealer sent me a Toyota pick up to put a front bumper on. All 4 of the mounting bolts broke off. Not a huge deal because I had a new bumper to put on. Also the bottom spoiler was attached across the whole bottom with 8mm hex head screws...all of which I had to use an air chisel on................continue......You know how much I spend a year just on buying replacement nuts, bolts and screws. I buy them by the boxfull from Midwest Nut & Bolt. And dont forget all the drill bits i have to buy to drill out the busted ones and cut off wheels.
add: btw, reason I was replacing the bumper is there was only about 30% of it left. The whole bumper had baseball size rust holes, along with the rocker panels and bottom of the bed sides.
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Sounds like you should stop ogre fisting the screws and 10mm bolts, Ive worked on thousands of japanese and american vehicles in my years as a tech and never had issues with breaking screws/bolts on anything that wasnt 20+ years old and from the rust belt.
Sounds like you should stop ogre fisting the screws and 10mm bolts, Ive worked on thousands of japanese and american vehicles in my years as a tech and never had issues with breaking screws/bolts on anything that wasnt 20+ years old and from the rust belt.
Look at Roger's posting location and your posting location, then think about it...
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naskie18 Member
Posts: 6258 From: Commerce Twp, MI, USA Registered: Jun 2002
Originally posted by loafer87gt: All the NHTSA reports cleared Toyota of any wrongdoing, and found that all the probelsm were caused by the thickskulled drivers mashing the accelerator pedal as opposed to the brake.
You didn't see any coverage of this though in the news.
That's because the possibility that a significant number of people couldn't keep the brake and accelerator pedals straight on their Toyotas, but everyone driving any other make managed to get it correct is a pretty ridiculous belief.
But hey, keep believing what you want. The Easter bunny will be around in about a weekand a half, too.......
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Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
That's because the possibility that a significant number of people couldn't keep the brake and accelerator pedals straight on their Toyotas, but everyone driving any other make managed to get it correct is a pretty ridiculous belief.
But hey, keep believing what you want. The Easter bunny will be around in about a weekand a half, too.......
big feet... big pedals, or pedals too close together?? BTW, engineers from NASA were called in to help and they couldn't find anything wrong either. It seems like a design issue, and not a software issue based on the lack of findings related to software problems.
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Thats what they get when they buy asian built/ or designed junk. It was probably designed with a sheet metal screw to hold it on. Asian cars are huge on putting things together with aluminum bolts and screws. Tracker was the first I noticed that on. Anything I take apart always has all the screws snap off.
Actually the Cruze was designed and tested in Europe by Opel not Asia and is built in North America not Asia. Just my .02 cents.
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What does the UAW have to do with a car recall? ... Answer.. Nothing..
Nice attempt at turning a non-political issue into a political one though.. Maby next time people will fall for it.
Just Maby [sic].
I does seem to put the "union proud" religious nuts on the defense. UAW has a large ownership stake in GM off the backs of American Taxpayers. But hey, it's a new GM and they are changing to do a few good things, one may be that they will move their headquarters out of Michigan.
What does the UAW have to do with a car recall? ... Answer.. Nothing..
Nice attempt at turning a non-political issue into a political one though.. Maby next time people will fall for it.
He was trying to use negative association, a standard propaganda technique. Pick something bad that you can associate your target with, then keep repeating it to drive it viral if you can; once it becomes a meme then build on it. Only in this case he suffered premature ejaculation and his political wad wound up hanging off his ear...
WRT the Toyotas, I remember seeing an engineer who was able to replicate the problem with the throttle. The problem with the throttle on new cars (not just the Prius) is that it's no longer physically connected to the engine. Instead it uses software and sensors. IMHO this is a bad idea for cars which are subject to all the abuse and neglect that people do to their rides. In addition, the Prius doesn't actually have a true ignition switch. Instead, the key only switches a sensor, so turning off the key does not turn off the power to the ECM or anything else. So, get a sensor glitch (which is how the engineer replicated the loss of throttle problem) coupled with the inability to physically kill the car and you have the potential for some major problems. I'd drive a Prius in a heartbeat, they're extremely well engineered cars, but I'd add in a manual kill switch so that I could physically kill the car in an emergency.