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New engine could shave 1000lbs off conventional cars..... by ryan.hess
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id..._science-innovation/

Researchers at Michigan State University have built a prototype gasoline engine that requires no transmission, crankshaft, pistons, valves, fuel compression, cooling systems or fluids. Their so-called Wave Disk Generator could greatly improve the efficiency of gas-electric hybrid automobiles and potentially decrease auto emissions up to 90 percent when compared with conventional combustion engines.

The engine has a rotor that's equipped with wave-like channels that trap and mix oxygen and fuel as the rotor spins. These central inlets are blocked off, building pressure within the chamber, causing a shock wave that ignites the compressed air and fuel to transmit energy.

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Report this Post04-10-2011 12:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 84fiero123Click Here to Email 84fiero123Send a Private Message to 84fiero123Direct Link to This Post
Oh no we are at the mercy of engineers again. I am going to have to learn something new about motors, all over again.
“I am getting to old for this crap!”

Sounds interesting but still years away so maybe I don’t have anything to worry about.

Steve

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

Sounds interesting but still years away so maybe I don’t have anything to worry about.


Steve, if this even takes off you won't have to worry about it. Your wife will let you tinker with what you have but that's it, ya know?
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Originally posted by williegoat:

http://www.egr.msu.edu/muel...rIMECE2004-59022.pdf


Very nice, thanx!
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

Oh no we are at the mercy of engineers again. I am going to have to learn something new about motors, all over again.
“I am getting to old for this crap!”

Sounds interesting but still years away so maybe I don’t have anything to worry about.

Steve



Since its essentially a turbine, no, there wont be any new stuff to learn.

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It the link it looks like it defies the laws of thermal efficiency. We will see if anything comes from it.

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Originally posted by phonedawgz:

It the pdf attached it looks like it defies the laws of thermal efficiency. We will see if anything comes from it.


And how come we never see a "proof of concept" working model of these ideas.
Even just a miniture working model.

Alot here remember when the Wankel Rotary Engine was anounced, how long it took to come to fruiation, and what became of it's proposed 'world-changing' potental.

The engine received it's first patent in 1929, began development in the early 1950s, and was a working prototype in 1957.

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Originally posted by Boondawg:
And how come we never see a "proof of concept" working model of these ideas.
Even just a miniture working model.


"Researchers at Michigan State University have built a prototype gasoline engine..."

Maybe because they don't want you to see* it?

*(Steal it)?

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Originally posted by ryan.hess:


"Researchers at Michigan State University have built a prototype gasoline engine..."

Maybe because they don't want you to see* it?

*(Steal it)?


They could enclose the device so you cant see the inner workings but still see it 'work'.
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How can you shave 1,000 pounds off a car when the entire engine and transaxle doesn't weigh that much? You guys KNOW how much a 2.8 + transaxle + cooling system weighs. It's not 1,000 pounds.

When people start out making claims like that, that I, and you, know aren't true, it makes me suspicious of anything else they have to say.

That being said, I hope my suspicions are unfounded, and this thing meets all their claims.
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
Oh no we are at the mercy of engineers again.


Steve, what hid under your bed when you were a child? Some middle-aged guy wearing a white, short-sleeve dress shirt and a pocket protector?
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quote
Originally posted by Boondawg:


And how come we never see a "proof of concept" working model of these ideas.
Even just a miniture working model.

Alot here remember when the Wankel Rotary Engine was anounced, how long it took to come to fruiation, and what became of it's proposed 'world-changing' potental.

The engine received it's first patent in 1929, began development in the early 1950s, and was a working prototype in 1957.



The Wankel's chief advantage is power to volume/weight ratio. In the era when it was developed it was light years ahead of existing technology, but it's got inherent inefficiencies that make it hard to get as good a power to fuel ratio as can be had with a modern piston engine. Even piston engines are fairly limited, rarely breaking 30% efficiency. If a new technology came by that allowed even 50% efficiency it would be a game-changer.

Remember, the heat of exhaust and radiator is basically energy from gasoline that is being thrown away, unused.
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Sounds awesome... there's a lot of neat engine designes that have come out in recent years, including one that uses pistons, but is sort of a mix between a rotary plane piston engine, and a wenkle rotary engine.


Not sure though that it would drop 1,000 pounds... hah....

My solid cast iron 1969 Oldsmobile 455 big block, with all the accessories and a cast iron intake and heads, WITH the Th-400 filled with fluid, just comes in under 1,000 pounds at like 968lbs. So unless we're converting massive 70s cars, I don't think we'll be shedding much weight.

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Originally posted by williegoat:

http://www.egr.msu.edu/muel...rIMECE2004-59022.pdf


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